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Was it worth it, doing IB?

One of the questions IB graduates get asked most by students who are still deciding whether to do IB is whether it is worth it, doing the IB. Here are some answers.

If you want the truth, when I joined IB I was excited about it, and still am. I felt like I joined a society not an educational system. Mention TOK to an A levels student and watch the "Huh?" expression on his/her face! IB gives you a school life not just an education, and to be frank I didn't feel the pressure of IAs until February of [iB2]. One month of pressure and the rest of the 2 year was really no different than IGCSE pressure. Sure the subjects are more advanced, but to tell you the truth they're very similar to A levels syllabi, only in IB you get the experience of coursework, lab reports, languages, social sciencies... etc. I mean, this looked more appealing to me than just having 3 subjects to study for 2 years, that seems like a waste of time. IB really does help out in uni... I mean look at all the madness we have to go through to get our diploma! surely A levels students will struggle at the beginning of uni, but we have already been struggling since 11th grade so we have an advantage.

I can't really talk con IB because I love it so much. But I really should warn you it's no walk in the park! You need motivation and persistence! So be cautious when you start and avoid procrastination.

Edited by ~Lc~, after she received her grades:

I was just rereading what I wrote just when I was done with IAs and was about to start my externals, and I can't believe how much I forgot this stuff. If you've been on TSR for the past few months after I got my grades you would have noticed the bitterness I've developed for IB because I didn't get the grades I wanted. That oh so amazing 40 points :P . The thing is I was just bitter because I felt my pride was hurt, and a 36 wasn't good enough for me. Now that I look back, I find myself self absorbed and silly! Because clearly the IB has made me a totally different person who analyzes everything in life. I feel like a spectator in life now, I find myself looking at situations between my friends, family and even msn convos and evaluating people's talks, and my own, and actually thinking before I response. I would have never done that without IB. I think this change in me is mostly evident in the novel which I am currently writing. If I ever live long enough to witness the day it gets published, and if you are interested enough to read it one day... you'll understand what I'm talking about.

Now for IB, was it about the grades for me? Well that's what I thought before I actually got mine. In truth it was more of a maturity I experienced and would've required me a few more years to achieve without IB.

So ask me if "I should do the IB" and I'll tell you do it for the experience, ask me "should I do IB to get better qualifications for Uni?" and I'll tell you show me your academic history. I say this because that 40 points is not for everyone...

Post by: ~Lc~


I have never regretted taking IB. I didn't have a choice between IB or A levels, I just had a choice between IB and a regular high school diploma. If I had a choice with A levels, however, I think I would still had taken IB, because in the early days of my IB naivety, IB sounded more impressive. And I don't think I would had regretted that decision either.

Seriously, IB is great. There were definitely time when I was so stressed with work that I hate it, but even then I didn't regret starting it.

I really do think you do get more career options with IB as you don't have to specialise so completely like A levels. As for IB being no sleep and no social life, it's not that bad. Seriously if you can plan your work, you get plenty of sleep and an adequate social life. And still get 35+. However, you will still have to be prepared to be sacrificing some time around this time of your second year to concentrate on internal assessments and exams.

I think IB is worth is not only because it got me relatively easily into uni, but also because of the satisfaction I got after having got through it. You know, IB is supposed to be this really hard thing but then you realise at the end of your exam that you've gotten through it and you're still alive and probably will get some really good grade, and then it doesn't seem as hard as you thought it was at the beginning of the first year.

I think that with the IB, you really do get to mature in terms of handling your work, your time, and how your approach things. You learn to take responsibilities for your work and you know at the end of the day, you will have to complete those work to get the grade you want. It's not all just rote learning and cramming the night before exam. Your IB grade is earned over the two years.

One great thing about IB is that most school would give students a choice in whether to take IB nor not. Thus the people in your IB class will most probably have chosen IB because they want to be there and take the programme. Because of this, there will be less bored people who are forced into the class who will demotivate you.

I see people's point that A-levels is more specialised but not everyone is prepared to be so specialised even in the last years of high school. IB really isn't working every day either. I'll have you know, I didn't do that much work in IB1. It's just the last half of IB2 that the work built but it was still bearable. I personally think that the IB makes a person well-rounded. We are required to take science, math, languages, social sciences, philosophy (TOK) and do CAS activities, which really do diversify our knowledge and experience.

I do agree with some people who have reservations, however, about taking IB in an inexperienced IB school. It can be rather a hard road taking the IB in a school where you are the guinea pig class, and you know more about IAs than your teacher or you can't depend on your IBC/teachers to provide you with all the correct information to help you do well. However, I don't think such set back sound be the be all and end all. There are plenty of sources (like this site) where people will be more than willing to help you should you have any problem/queries about the IB.

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A Database of Information made by Former IB Students to Current and Prospective IB Students…



This database is a guide to current and future IB students from the moment they start their first year until their last IB external examination.

Are you ready? :)

How to Manage your Time

You’ll always here comments and advice about how to manage your time. As you may have read/heard, the IB Diploma Programme is a program that prepares you for university life and all the responsibilities you’ll encounter in the future. Thus, it is vital that you ‘summon your will power’ and organize a daily, weekly, and/or monthly timetable to help you get your priorities straight.

Here are some websites to help you manage your time wisely:

Study Skills

Time Management

When it comes to time-management, most of us agree on how important it is to have a daily calendar to organize things one must do. Some people buy ‘calendar books’; daily-planned booklets that allow monitoring tasks and organizing responsibilities. Others use Microsoft Outlook or any other computer or phone-based program to organize things. Personally, I think that this is one good software for time management (found here).

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An easy Microsoft Excel-based program, where you plan your own calendar on a daily basis. No previous experience needed, and everyone can use it!


Tips from Professionals

Here are some things that our IBC had to say to give us a push:

“You have a minimum of six subjects, all of which demand attention and studying. Your first step is to manage your time properly. Use the [holidays] effectively. Do not simply allow yourself to relax all day, go on vacation and do nothing, then all of a sudden remember that you have final exams the following week. Put a stop to this attitude NOW!

“Use your time efficiently. Sit down and actually plan what you are going to study during the holiday. [We are] not asking you to study ALL the time. No! After all, [we] do believe in the adage 'all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy'. However, even if you travel somewhere, make sure you plan how you are going to use your time once you come back. If you are traveling for the full length of the holiday, then it is definitely a good idea to plan before you leave and to actually take a few things with you to study while you're away.

“Do not procrastinate. Do you know what procrastination is? It is simply putting off for tomorrow what you can do today. Don't you sometimes say to yourself: "What difference does it make if I did this tomorrow instead of now? The deadline is a week away anyway"? Or "None of my friends is studying until next week, so why should I"? etc. Well, trust [us], this is the worst you can do to yourself.

“How can you avoid procrastination? Here are a few tips:

* Set realistic goals;

* Look into yourself: are you postponing the work because of fear, anxiety, concentration problems, perfectionism or something completely different?

* Discipline yourself and focus on priorities;

* Minimize distractions and take your work seriously;

* Study in small blocks and take breaks;

* Reward yourself when you mark off some of the stuff from your revision plan.

(( and of course, roll over))

“Make revision notes when you study. How do you do this? Well, use different methods to record and store study information such as revision 'cue' cards, visual maps, mnemonic (Memory-aiding devices…Visit to learn more about it) sentences, use lots of color and visual imagery etc. to use beside your study notes. Most importantly, study to understand, don't just learn it by heart.

“You can make it… always believe in this. Each and every one of you is capable of passing exams. All you have to do is concentrate a little more, set priorities and learn to say NO to temptations. Remember, you make your destiny… your success lies there, in the palm of your own hand.”

Summer Time!

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Surely, this word triggers visual images such as traveling, swimming and other fun activities away from books and IB-related responsibilities. This is true – to some extent. It is crucial that you have fun and forget about your responsibilities for a while, but remember; time passes by very quickly (personally, I have learnt this the hard way).

Take 3 weeks or a month of REAL vacation, after which you come back and work on the assigned duties. Some of us have finished Extended Essays, World Literature Essays, Lab Reports, TOK Essays and other research papers during summertime. Honestly, we make a big fuss about each essay, but each one does not take more than four days of rigorous and vigorous work to finish.

Make sure that you finish most to all of your CAS activities during the summer. It is a lot better to put this aside and get rid of it once you’re in your second year of IB. CAS is not a heck of a time, it is there to show that you care about the world around you. Also, it is extremely helpful in your university application and personal statement. So have fun doing CAS – it is seriously an enjoyable experience. :)

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Summer vacation, finally! After going through IB1, you've deserved it. Now, the point of adding my own view on how to spend your summer vacation is simple: I disagree with the one above, and think that one shouldn't worry about school too much, for many reasons. The first, most obvious, reason is that I really think that it's a good idea to take some time off, and forget about all that school stuff. Sure, it's not a bad idea to do some CAS stuff, but in general, I think it's much better to relax than to worry too much about IAs or especially final exams.

I know for a fact that most schools recommend you write your EE during summer, mine did too. In reality, however, two people in my class did that, but everyone still managed to hand the EEs in when they were due in October. What that should tell you is that it's not true what they say, you really do have time to write your EE along with other schoolwork. I started work on my EE on the first week of school in August, and all in all, it only took me 5 or 6 nights to write the essay. The only thing about the EE that I would recommend you to do during the summer is find relevant books and sources for your EE so that you can start writing it when school starts, but I wouldn't advise you to spend too much time on it either.

The other view on spending your summer vacation also recommends you to work on your TOK essays, WLAs etc. I'm even more against this than I am to writing an EE. First of all, getting teacher guidance during summer will be a lot more difficult for most people. I don't know too many teachers who would be willing to help during their vacation. Also, many of my teachers advised us against doing work in advance because the quality of work will be better if it is done later in IB2. My Finnish teacher, for example, said that writing a WLA during summer would make no sense whatsoever because writing skills develop so quickly in IB, so if it is done later, the grade received for it will be much better.

Okay, this is starting to seem too much like stream of consciousness, so I'll end here. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me. :)

IB – Second Year

The countdown towards the externals has started and it’s serious. Spend the first four months (MAXIMUM!) visiting your teachers and revising your essays. Many schools start with TOK essays halfway through the first/second months, so it is important that you have most of the work done by then. Make sure that ALL of the work to be sent abroad (such as Extended Essay, TOK Essay, World Lit.s I and II, Math Portfolios/Projects, most of Art Pieces,…) is done and over with at least 5 months before your external examinations begin.

Why 5 months? Well by then, you would have started you Group I and II oral examinations, and having a lot of work to do would be a problem. For the orals alone, you need time to research, plan, manage, analyze, summarize, test yourself and practise over and over to get things straight. Why wait until the last moment when you can get things done easily?

Make sure to utilize the most of your mock examination break. Manage your time carefully to study all of your subjects (preferably more than once). It is vital that you make sure to practise some past papers, and repeat the harder materials over and over again. Also, make sure not to procrastinate, so that the workload wouldn’t get any larger.

Once done with your mocks, check your errors and solve these examination papers to identify your weakness points and resolve any issues. Practise as many past papers as possible, because now you have the material covered and it’s essential to make use of it.

The External Examinations (Glimpse)

Now it’s time to ‘gather the fruits of your labor’. You didn’t work for nothing in these two years, did you? Be sure to have faith and confidence in yourself, what you have studied, and most importantly, God. Stress and high adrenaline levels are perfectly normal, unless it gets you to a level where you can’t breathe anymore. Don’t get to that point, because these exams are no different than your mocks (and they might even be easier :) ).

The Night Before and the Time Before

•Make sure that the night before you are able to take come time to relax and get a good night’s sleep. Do not pull and all-nighter. Once tired, go to sleep immediately.

•Eat healthy food the night before. It is recommended to have a minor breakfast the day of the exam to help your mind focus on the exam rather than digesting the food. (e.g. cereal, cup of tea, biscuits, cookies, milk..)

•Take all necessary equipment with you (i.e. pencils, pens, rulers, erasers…). Calculators from this date are prohibited in ALL paper 1 examinations, EXCEPT for Paper 1 Mathematical Studies SL AND Paper 1 Further Mathematics SL. Always check with your IBC on any prohibited and allowed material. Also, make sure to have spare batteries for your calculators just in case. If the language of the examination you registered for is NOT your mother tongue, you may take a SIMPLE translating dictionary (sometimes supplied by the school).

•Your stationary MUST be carried in a TRANSPARENT bag.

•If you have a school uniform, wear it. :)

•Make sure you read the ‘Notice to Candidates’ carefully. (can be found here)

•Make sure to arrive thirty minutes to school before the examination begins.

•Don’t panic. Take it easy and do some breathing exercizes before the exam (take in long breathes, stop for sometime and let out long breathes. Repeat for some time).

Entering the Examination Hall

You will be directed to your seat by the IBC/ invigilator. You will have answer sheets on your desk (or be given these sheets upon arrival/ some time after); official coloured paper from the IB with your name, candidate session number, name and language of examination paper, some regulations and some spaces; string tags; and may be given scratch paper.

Make yourself comfortable in your seat. Smile. :)

What Will You Hear?

The IBC/invigilator will read some regulations. Make sure to listen and digest the information carefully.

Starting the Examination

- Do not open the examination paper until I instruct you to do so.

- Do you have any questions about the notice to candidates displayed in the school?

- Does anyone have any unauthorized material in his or her possession? This is your last

opportunity to say so.

- Are the subject, level and language of your examination paper correct?

- Do you have everything you need for the examination?

- Check the details on your cover sheet. Please tell me if any of the details are not correct for

this examination.

- Use only the rough paper provided by the school for notes.

- Use blue or black ink for all written text. Pencil, including colored pencils, may be used

only for graphs, diagrams or charts.

- The number of pages in the examination paper is on the front page. Turn the pages to check

none is missing. Is the examination paper complete?

- Read all instructions very carefully. Do not answer more questions than required—if you

answer extra questions they will not be marked.

- Write as clearly as possible using both sides of each page. If you require more pages on

which to write your answers, please ask for more.

- Write your session number at the top right corner of every page you use (including graph

paper if appropriate).

- Write question numbers in the left-hand margin. Leave the right-hand margin blank.

- After I finish this instruction, you will have five minutes to read the questions carefully.

During this reading time you are not allowed to write (or use a calculator). You may now

open your examination paper. Your reading time starts now.

(You have five minutes reading time.)

- Your reading time is over. You have (…time…) for this examination paper. You may

start to write.

-The time is (the precise start time is to be given).

During the Examination

You will be notified twice during the exam; once when there are 30 minutes left:

- The time remaining is 30 minutes.

And another time when 5 minutes are left:

- The time remaining is 5 minutes.

Ending the Examination

- The examination has ended. Please stop writing immediately and close your examination


- Do not make any additions or amendments to your answers.

- Draw a line through any work that you do not wish to be marked.

- Check that you have written the question numbers in the left-hand margin.

- Complete all details on your cover sheet if you have not done so already. Remember to

indicate the number of answer sheets used and which questions you have answered.

- Make sure that your cover sheet and answer sheets are fastened together using a string tag.

- Do not staple the pages together. Make sure that your session number is written on every

page. (In case any graph paper has been used – that too.)

- Place any rough notes and the examination paper separately on your desk/table ready for


Leaving the Examination Hall and Post-Exam Period

Do NOT leave the hall unless instructed by the IBC/ invigilator. Once you’re done with the exam, get your mind off of it and focus on what’s remaining from your subjects rather than the ones you’re done with. Smile, again. :)

Rest for a while, and study for the next exam.

Do NOT talk about any examination online, unless 24 hours have passed from the LAST SCHOOL TO DO THE EXAM – meaning, not the 24 hours after YOUR exam.

Some Final Words…

Enjoy IB. We hope you get lots of help out of IBSurvival!

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How are the final grades determined from the different components?

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Alright, this is a bit difficult to explain but I'll try explaining the basics of assessment in any case. It isn't as simple as it looks on the outside, IBO is really putting in effort to give equal treatment to candidates. First of all, for a conclusive description of assessment, I recommend you to read Diploma Programme assessment - Principles and Practices. For ease of view, I'll split this into several subtopics:

Finding the scaled mark out of 100.

The first thing that you should understand about your grade is that the marks from all different assessment components will be scaled according to their value so that their total equals 100. This means that your scaled total marks will be between 0-100. As I mentioned, the scaling is done according to the "weight" of each component. Because these differ highly, I'll give you a few examples on how it is done:

Example 1: Mathematics SL - Paper 1 (40%), Paper 2 (40%), Internal Assessment (20%).

Paper 1 and Paper 2 are both graded on a scale 0-80. Internal Assessment is graded on a scale of 0-40. The marks of these are added up so that the total mark is on a scale of 0-200. To get the final mark with a scale of 0-100, this score is divided by two.

For example, the scores of person A are as follows: Paper 1: 56 points. Paper 2: 73 points. Internal Assessment: 26 points.

Total score: 56+73+26 = 155/200. Total final score is (155)/2 = 77.5 = 78 points. Note that the score is rounded up.

In language A1, this is done somewhat differently:

Example 2: Language A1 HL - Paper 1 (25%), Paper 2 (25%), World Literature Assignment (20%), Internal Assessment (30%).

The maximum score on Papers 1&2 is 25 points. The maximum score on the World Literature Assignment is 40 points. (NOTE: This Applies for HL only!) The maximum score on the Internal Assessment is 60 points.

Here, the total score is not calculated out of 200, but directly from 100. The scores from Papers 1 & 2 need not be scaled, but the scores from WLA and IA will be divided by two to reach a total of 100 marks.

For example, the scores of person B are as follows: Paper 1: 23 points. Paper 2: 21 points. World Literature Assignment: 34 points. Internal Assessment 49 points.

The mark is then calculated: 23+21+(34/2)+(49/2) = 85.5 = 86.

Calculating your final grade between 1 and 7.

The IB uses a bell curve to find suitable mark boundaries for exams in order to ensure that their level of difficulty will not affect the mark that a student receives. In practice, this means that although students might score poorly on an exam, they might still receive a high mark if the test has been hard for everyone. However, this is not the only factor in setting a grade boundary.

Likewise, if the test has been very easy, a high mark will be required to score a high grade. The system that IB uses to find these boundaries is, as far as I know, undisclosed, and probably far too technical to be discussed here. What can, however, be discussed is the way that your final grade is found from your component grades and your scaled (0-100) mark.

Diploma Programme assessment - Principles and Practices sums the process as follows:

The setting of grade boundaries is... the reconciling of information from different sources: the experienced judgment of senior examiners, statistical comparisons and the expectations of experienced teachers

As mentioned, the final grade will not be found using component grades, but rather component marks. This means that although a student would reach two low 7s in 60% of the assessment, 3 low 6s in the remaining 40% might bring the grade down to a 6. The grade boundary out of 100 can be found as follows:

7 - (lowest grade 7 mark from component 1) + (highest grade 6 mark from component 2) + (highest grade 6 mark from component 3) + (highest grade 6 mark from component 4)

6 - (lowest grade 6 mark from component 1) + (highest grade 5 mark from component 2) + (highest grade 5 mark from component 3) + (highest grade 5 mark from component 4)

I'll illustrate this with an example. The grade boundaries for Finnish A1 SL are as follows:

Paper 1:

7 - 24-25

6 - 22-23


Paper 2:

7 - 23-25

6 - 21-22



7 - 17-20

6 - 15-16



7 - 27-30

6 - 24-26


Thus, the aggregate marks required for grade 7 would be:

P1: 24 + P2: 22 + WLA: 16 + IA: 26 = 88

For grade 6:

P1: 22 + P2: 20 + WLA: 14 + IA: 23 = 79.

Moderation of grades:

All IB assessment work is moderated. As you all should know, a sample of IA scripts from each school are always sent for moderation to an examiner. The same is done with external assessment, as 15% of each examiner's scripts will be marked by a senior examiner. Then, accordingly to the level of marking, the assessment of all scripts by that examiner is either raised or lowered. Mathematically, IB requires a correlation coefficient of at least 0.90 for the examiner's marking to be considered reliable. Further, IB uses linear regression to ensure just results. If the assistant examiner's sample scripts do not meet these criteria, they will be marked by a different examiner. Again, this is more closely discussed in Diploma Programme assessment - Principles and Practices. There is also a process called "at risking" used to reassess the work of candidates who have been awarded a final grade that is two or more grades lower than their predicted grade and within two percentage marks of getting a higher overall grade. However, if a school continuously predicts over the actual ability of candidates, it is unlikely that the school will participate in "at risk" remarking.

To answer your more specific question about lang B:

I'm particularly perplexed about the Language B internal assessment. I'm aware that it's worth 30% of the grade but at my school, we have one oral exam worth 15% and three oral assessments along the way which are averaged out to be worth 15%. This apparently will then constitute the 30% of the Language B mark. But I've read some topics in this forum and it seems like there's discrepancies between different schools and how their teachers are assessing the IA for Language B.

The lang B oral is composed of the Individual Oral Commentary (IOC) and the Interactive Oral Presentation (IOP). Each are worth 15%, but are graded out of 30 marks. The candidate should only do the IOC once (although practice IOCs can be held), and the IOP three times (again, practice IOPs may be held). The best (not average) IOP mark and the IOC mark will be added together to find the final Internal Assessment mark, which will then be divided by two because it must be scaled.

For 2013 candidates onward the IOP mark will be based on your mean IOP score.

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How much time and effort does subject X require?

Future IB students ask this question a lot: how much effort is required in [insert subject here] to get a decent grade in it. The answer to the question is that we don't know. By this point in your studies, you have probably noticed that not all students perform alike: while someone may get a 7 in Mathematics HL without really studying, another person might struggle to get a 4 even after studying for weeks before the final exam. This is the reason to why we can't tell you how much time it will take you to get a 7 in, for example, Mathematics HL. However, what can be deduced is that Group 4 (science) and Group 5 (Mathematics) subjects taken at HL tend to be subjects in which students often have difficulties, and they tend to require much effort. On the other hand, many consider Group 3 and Group 2 HL subjects to be easy relative to their natural science counterparts. Again, this depends on the individual, but if you're not comfortable with mathematics, you shouldn't consider choosing Mathematics, Physics or Chemistry at HL unless you're willing to spend a considerable amount of time practicing it.

Is it impossible to get a good mark in subject X?

No, it is not. Able candidates will always get a good mark. If you are talented in mathematics, you will get a 7 in Mathematics HL. However, this being said, it is easy for those of us less able to score good grades in some subjects. In general, it is considered that the hardest subjects to score a high grade include at least Mathematics HL and Chemistry SL and HL. In addition to this, statistics show that a very low percentage of sevens are given in 'artsy' subjects such as ITGS HL and Business and Management HL. On the other hand, subjects that are often considered the easiest to score well in are language B/A2 subjects and the most popular Group 3 subjects, Economics and History.

These, unfortunately, are merely statistics. In the words of Benjamin Disraeli: "there are lies, damned lies, and finally, there are statistics." What this means is that you, as an individual, should not focus so much on the statistics of grade division in a subject, but rather choose your subjects by looking at your interests and strengths. If you are not interested in a subject, you will not study. When you don't study, you get a bad mark. This is why I want to emphasize that when contemplating on picking between a hard subject you love and an 'easy' subject you don't really like, you should seriously consider picking the more difficult subject, and put effort into reaching the grade you want.

How many samples of IAs from my class will be sent for moderation?

For 5 candidates or fewer the sample will comprise the work of all candidates

For 6 to 20 candidates the sample will comprise the work of 5 candidates

For 21 to 40 candidates the sample will comprise the work of 8 candidates

For 41 candidates and above the sample will comprise the work of 10 candidates.

<a name="Does getting an E in TOK and/or E in the Extended Essay mean that no diploma is awarded?">Does getting an E in TOK and/or E in the Extended Essay mean that no diploma is awarded?

Starting with the IB Class of 2010, the TOK/EE criteria have been changed so that an E in either subject (not just both!) will result in no diploma being awarded.

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Just some quick corrections/advice:

Starting with the IB Class of 2010, the TOK/EE criteria have been changed so that an E in either subject (not just both!) will result in no diploma being awarded.

Secondly, for the IB Class of 2013, for Language B, the IOP score will now be an average, not just your best score.

Furthermore, the CAS Requirements starting with the Class of 2010 (currently IB1), have been changed to prevent what has been suggested above (finishing all CAS in the first year/over the summer). Each student must now take part in a Long-Term project/activity that last for at least the duration of the two IB years.

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