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[Luke Jr]

Hi, this is my first post here.



I wanted to know if someone knows how is the plagiarism detected (Extended Essays, TOK, etc). I mean, i suppose it is a software, but how could it work?

And anyone knows if the school is fined because their students are accused by plagiarism? I know what happens to the student, but not to the school...



Thanks all, and sorry for my english if it's not okay
Luke

Edited by Luke Jr, Feb 18, 2009 - 20:06.

[Irene]

Nope, the school isn't fine. Whoever plagiarizes pays the consequences - it's not the school's fault.

Turnitin.com is often used. Other than that, intuition, I guess. If a student writes something that's not habitual and out of the norm, then the teacher would (should) suspect something is up.

[Luke Jr]

yeah but in my school happened that two students were found with plagiarism, but the teachers didn't know about it. the IB discovered this.. and it's inhuman to be "guessing" if a student wrote this or that, having like thousands and thousands of EEs, TOK essays. But if there was a software, would the schools want to have it?

[Irene]

yeah but in my school happened that two students were found with plagiarism, but the teachers didn't know about it. the IB discovered this.. and it's inhuman to be "guessing" if a student wrote this or that, having like thousands and thousands of EEs, TOK essays. But if there was a software, would the schools want to have it?

Wtf would it be inhuman? If the teacher suspects a student of plagiarism, then the teacher should 1) run it through plagiarism-detection software and/or 2) talk to the student and ask them about the essay-writing process etc etc. Nothing inhumane at all.

[Luke Jr]

i say it would be inhuman to a IB corrector, having hundreds and hundreds of essays to correct, know if an student (REMEMBER THAT THE CORRECTOR DO NOT KNOW THE STUDENTS FROM WHICH ESSAYS HE IS CORRECTING) DID sthing with plagirism, because the teacher didn't notice the plagirism thing..
but anyways, when the plagirism is detected, it's the IB who detects it, not the corrector (that happened in my school)

Edited by Luke Jr, Feb 19, 2009 - 13:10.

[Ashika]

We were told that the school ran it through turnitin before it was sent to IB.

[Luke Jr]

yeah but it's different, i'm from south america and here they don't even know how the IB does to detect plagiarism, they say "they have some kind of millionare software" that detects it, and that's it.

[cokesandcokes]

Hmm...like Ashika, our IB coordinator ran everything (ToK Essay, EE, WLs) through turnitin.com before mailing the stuff to IB.

As far as I know IB doesn't receive soft copies of your work, so if the IB catches you plagiarizing then I assume it's because the examiner was suspicious and decided to check.

[Eternalx]

Simple, turnitin. Everything we do must be summited through turnitin.

[Chelleee]

turnitin,
the school's paranoid about plagiarising now, and from what i can tell it seems to be the most popular way of detecting plagiarism. not to mention that it's pretty accurate as well~

[Luke Jr]

okay i see what your point is. but how does turnitin works? you need the .doc file yes or yes?
i assure you that our coordinator didn't put the works there, and some month later the ib came back with some plagirism stuff.. and they didn't have the .doc files.. only the printed ones

i don't think they re-write every essay and submit them later, don't u think?

[Abu]

Are you genuinely curious or are you scared that you have plagiarised something and are gonna get caught?

[Eternalx]

okay i see what your point is. but how does turnitin works? you need the .doc file yes or yes?
i assure you that our coordinator didn't put the works there, and some month later the ib came back with some plagirism stuff.. and they didn't have the .doc files.. only the printed ones

i don't think they re-write every essay and submit them later, don't u think?

You don't need a .doc file, well basically you summit it to turnitin and it checks for any plagiarized materials from around the web. This include websites,pre-written essays from schools and such...

[siyna]

What if you come up with the same thing as someone else (although I don't really think it's possible) but you didn't plagiarize??

[Eternalx]

What if you come up with the same thing as someone else (although I don't really think it's possible) but you didn't plagiarize??

Exact word by word paragraphs? That's like not very likely...

[siyna]

Exact word by word paragraphs? That's like not very likely...

I thought you can plagiarize ideas too... but that wouldn't count in the IB I guess, because students come up with the same thought often.

[Irene]

I thought you can plagiarize ideas too... but that wouldn't count in the IB I guess, because students come up with the same thought often.

Similar ideas are not the same as identical ideas.

[siyna]

What would you say are identical ideas as opposed to similar ones? It's clear to me that similar ideas are rather different, even in the smallest detail....

Edited by siyna, Feb 22, 2009 - 00:35.

[hermine0817]

I would say that you have to prove your idea or at least give some decent examples to support it. When you link it together with the examples, it would obviously be clear that it's your idea.
It would of course seem suspicious if you have exactly same idea as well as examples/sources as some of the works available.

[siyna]

I would say that you have to prove your idea or at least give some decent examples to support it. When you link it together with the examples, it would obviously be clear that it's your idea.
It would of course seem suspicious if you have exactly same idea as well as examples/sources as some of the works available.

o.k. i agree with that