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What's the point of graduation?


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I've always found this question intriguing, particularly because of the ways I see different cultures dealing with it. For instance, I see a lot of American students (in particular, I'm certain they're not the only ones) talk about 'graduating' from High School when they finish the IB and having a rather fancy affair with costumes and hats. Conversely my own experience was that one day I had to turn up for school, the next I didn't, and I received my IB certificate in the post, and to my knowledge there's no British concept of graduation until you finish your degree at University.

So my question is: What does 'graduation' mean to you and what's the point of it? Is it a good thing or an empty thing?

This is slightly inspired by an article I found on the BBC which I've quoted here (in the spoiler) but probably makes more sense if you read it on the original website with the headings all intact :yes:

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The point of my graduation? Getting a couple of trophies and a certificate. That's all that it was for me, and probably the chance to say a hurried goodbye to everyone; I didn't see most of them again :yes:

We also wore stupid graduation blue gowns that didn't even fit in well with our school uniform of polos and slacks, most of us looked unkempt and dishevelled, there were only a bunch (about 15) of us and well, I'd have rather done it your way to be honest.

It holds no meaning for me, sure we finish school and all that, and it's probably a rite of passage for most, but it's not significant enough to be made an event. In the end, it's the graduation from university that counts the most because that signals the end of life in academia, the end of a sheltered life and entry into the real world.

I suppose it means a lot to the Americans because completion of High School is a big accomplishment for them? (Don't know why, any plonker can finish the American version of secondary school) Or the fact that some people choose not to attend university.

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Well, finishing IB is an achievement and I suppose also regular high schools require some effort to finish, so why not celebrate it?

Graduation means to me that you come to school, attend a boring ceremony (with hymns, tonnes of scholarships distributed, long speeches), put your graduation hat on, run out to your waiting family, riding around the town in a fancy vehicle of some sort, have a party for relatives and friends in the afternoon. That's basically how it goes in my school.

It was more substantial ~ 50 years ago, when you had examinations the same day and then got to know if you had passed and could run out to your family. If you failed, you had to go out through the back door and had no reason to celebrate. Now the national students are assessed contionuously, with all their achievements during these three years matter, so they know their grades when graduation arrives. And if someone has to redo courses, they graduate anyway and study these courses the next year anyway.

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(Don't know why, any plonker can finish the American version of secondary school
LOL :bawling:

I think British form of graduations is similar to the ones we have in North Africa. When I went last summer so happy because I 'graduated' people literally thought I meant a degree graduation. They were laughing their heads off when they knew what I meant. Moreover, they laughed AGAIN..when they found out that the graduation was BEFORE the results came out. In Tunisia, passing, or graduating from high school is not guaranteed, many people fail, especially if it's one of those evil years.

There is no such thing in Tunisia, you just finish exams,wait till results come out, then go to school on your won and receive the certificate, and that's it, nothing about a big ceremony..lol.

I guess the reason I was excited about graduation is that I've been seeing the big ceremonies ever since I was in grade 7, seeing the beautiful gowns..and the red carpet..etc.etc..and I always wanted to be like them.

For what its worth, surviving IB was something not so small thing :bawling:. LOL

Besides, I think graduations signifies the end of a major stage in your life, I mean high school and uni are NOTHING alike..seriously..it's like you're some completely different person when you get to uni.

I guess I need to point out, that my school having a graduation is not actually an imitation of the American end of high school ceremony, our gowns are nothing like theirs, and we don't 'throw the caps' at the end..lol. It looks something like this:

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That looks a lot like my american school! jk lol thats pretty cool though

Regarding graduation, I really don't have a strong opinion since i graduate IB a year before i graduate High school. But we do have a IB-done picnic of some sorts lol

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Yeah I thought graduation was really pointless...I mean its interesting and to some degree fun, but doing it before the results come out is kind of stupid. For some reason I'm worried about failing the ib because of graduation.
I think the senior trip to ibiza on the otherhand made more sense and was a better way to feel like you accomplished something...

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In Canada graduation is celebrated pretty much like it is in the States. Grad is nice because you get to see your friends and classmates one last time before you head off to different destinations in life. Some people are pretty emotional about it actually. Dunno why :) The ceremony is usually pretty boring though, to be honest.

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I believe the point of graduation is to take note and celebrate all of the academic milestones reached in distinct parts of your life. For example we graduate from kindergarten, elementary school, junior high school & high school, we graduate the last year in which we have finished these grades, each particularly distinct from one another.

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570 graduates, our families, our teachers, faculty and members of our community. There were all sorts of experiences. Before graduation, my thoughts were similar to Aboo's. Graduation didn't mean anything to me. One day I was talking to my counselor. She reminded me that as hard as I worked, some people worked a lot harder to just barely pass. Later I thought about their circumstances, and I was proud of them. I saw a friend deliver a baby boy last semester. And I saw a peer fight muscular dystrophy, getting weaker every year. Their high school diplomas were worth a lot more than mine. And I realized that I could keep up the bored, why-am-I-here attitude, or I could appreciate it. I watched my peers walk across the stage, I watched our student body get together one last time to play a prank on the principal, and I watched them support my friend and me as we made our embarrassing speeches.

Call it superficial. Doesn't matter. The ceremony got us together for maybe the only time in our lives. Corny as it sounds, for me, it's a connection. We did it. We may have nothing in common except our humanity and where we were on May 27th, 2010.

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To me it symbolizes the end of school life, the end of the 15 years of education we underwent while being dependent on our parents. When our 'school' life is over, things change - we're expected to be a lot more responsible, but we also have a lot more freedom (or most of us do). For example, I'm 17 now and I still have to ask for permission to do things, and I'm not allowed staying in the house alone for one full night because my parents don't want me to, I guess it has something to do with trust. I keep reminding them that they'd better get used to me not needing their permission, but quite ironically, instead of giving me that freedom, they still like to keep their authority over me, despite the fact that in less than a year, I'll be done with school and living on my own. They won't be able to stop me from doing whatever I want, but I'll be expected to know what's best..
I think graduation goes hand in hand with our age when we graduate. When you're 18, (in most countries at least) you're regarded as an adult. So no more being busted for petty mistakes and no more pushing to be up and at school by a certain time every morning and criticized for late nights, that's over as soon as school is. I can't wait :(

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Graduation is just a nice way to symbolize the end of one stage of your life and the beginning of the next, to me. I never cried/got overly emotional at my elementary/high school graduations. But I expect I will be crying tears of joy when I graduate from vet school since it will mean I've finally achieved what I've set out to do since I was 8.

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hey Sandwich! in the UK we  don't have Graduation party but we have the Leaver's ball which is quite similar, don't you think so?
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View PostIB_delusion, on Jul 09, 2010 - 05:59, said:

hey Sandwich! in the UK we  don't have Graduation party but we have the Leaver's ball which is quite similar, don't you think so?
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I don't think so :P The leaver's ball, if you have one, is just a random party everybody is invited to. Graduation is like a proper ceremony with speeches, robes and hats!

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View PostSandwich, on Jul 09, 2010 - 10:17, said:

View PostIB_delusion, on Jul 09, 2010 - 05:59, said:

hey Sandwich! in the UK we  don't have Graduation party but we have the Leaver's ball which is quite similar, don't you think so?
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I don't think so :P The leaver's ball, if you have one, is just a random party everybody is invited to. Graduation is like a proper ceremony with speeches, robes and hats!

No. the leaver's ball in my school has always been well-organised with speech from the head, teacher, school captain and the house captains. we all have to dress up. it's not random at all and only year 13 and their relatives are invited :D  :diploma:
but after the proper ball, we still go clubbing and... :drinks:  :yep:

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well, certainly you don't need to graduate unless you are going to American universities. (that is what I heard from my chem teacher)

BUT graduation is good in a way that it symbolizes your 4 years of work by dancing at the club... oh wait that is what I do anyway...

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"Plonker" ...oof kind of true for regular kids. But if you challenge yourself its a little bit harder-AP and IB programs are common and very challenging here. Also, not any "plonker" will go to college in the U.S, or anywhere for that matter. In any case the reason our education system went down the toilet for the most part is that George Bush started the No Child Left Behind program, which killed primary education.

Graduation here is very important for a lot of people, especially in impoverish cities like mine-most people are going to be the first high school graduate or college student in the family.

For me, it will be of no concern, because I don't plan on ending my education till the day I die.

The gowns are quite annoying also. Even if they fit they are uncomfortable because graduation is in the summer.

The point is too recognize hard work and success...most people go out and get drunk on Grad Night, or at least go and hang out with friends

Edited by Center Field, Jul 15, 2010 - 03:57.


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I think *high school* graduation is an important punctuation mark in the story of one's life, marking the end of the "education" process in terms of the word's etymological meaning. To educate means, literally, "to lead out," and for the past 12 years you've essentially been pulled along a series of hallways, told things and been asked to repeat them. Now you've reached the end of those hallways and there needs to be some kind of occasion to mark it; hence, high school graduation. Now you're no longer being pulled along - where you go is up to you, be it a university, a community college, a trade school, or the workforce. And, if you choose any but the last option, then once you've earned your degree, you get another ceremony to mark the end of that process.

I don't, however, see the point of holding "graduations" from preschool, kindergarten, elementary school, or middle school. You're not ****ing done yet, what are you celebrating? That you've made it two-thirds of the way through? Good job, you're almost done! Unfortunately, "almost" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

It's like being on a road trip and stopping two-thirds of the way to your destination to get a family photo on the highway median.

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View Post~vola, on Jul 15, 2010 - 04:23, said:

I don't, however, see the point of holding "graduations" from preschool, kindergarten, elementary school, or middle school. You're not ****ing done yet, what are you celebrating? That you've made it two-thirds of the way through? Good job, you're almost done! Unfortunately, "almost" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
It's an achievement from their point of view. We had celebrations from hish school and from whatever-it's-called-what-you-go-to-before-that, since that are important too. Don't know how it is in other countries, but starting high school here is very different from the school you went to before and it's no longer compulsory. So why not celebrate when you have an opportunity? Celebrations are fun! :blink:

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I agree in respect with your view about celebrations lol, the night after graduation day is always the best of the year

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View PostTilia, on Jul 18, 2010 - 16:18, said:

View Post~vola, on Jul 15, 2010 - 04:23, said:

I don't, however, see the point of holding "graduations" from preschool, kindergarten, elementary school, or middle school. You're not ****ing done yet, what are you celebrating? That you've made it two-thirds of the way through? Good job, you're almost done! Unfortunately, "almost" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
It's an achievement from their point of view. We had celebrations from hish school and from whatever-it's-called-what-you-go-to-before-that, since that are important too. Don't know how it is in other countries, but starting high school here is very different from the school you went to before and it's no longer compulsory. So why not celebrate when you have an opportunity? Celebrations are fun! :blink:

U.S. high school is compulsory, which is why I don't understand holding a graduation for finishing:
preschool - congratulations, you're basically graduating from daycare...as far as I know it's impossible to fail preschool unless you have severe, severe behavioral issues.
kindergarten - your mastery of the mechanics of academia (i.e. the alphabet, numbers, writing your name, reading monosyllabic words) merits praise, but not another graduation ceremony. the focus of kindergarten really needs to be on developing social skills, anyway - you can only expect so much from five-year-olds academically, you know?
elementary school - you've just spent the past five years learning the skills you'll need for the other half of your educational career - you haven't done anything with those skills yet. it seems like the purpose of holding a fifth grade graduation is just because it would feel weird not to, given that you've already graduated from preschool and kindergarten.
or middle school - i'll grant that getting through middle school without at least mild psychological damage is a feat, in some places more than others, but that's not what graduation is celebrating. eighth grade graduation, again, just seems like it's done as a matter of course because you've already had three, what harm could one more do? especially because, in some places at least, titles like valedictorian are determined by popular vote as opposed to GPA, like in high school.

I'm just glad I didn't have to sit through five long, mostly boring and slightly emotional ceremonies during my 12 years of compulsory schooling. I feel like it would've cheapened the significance of high school graduation if I'd already graduated from every school I've ever gone to, because of the emphasis placed on high school graduation by American culture. Small wonder so many graduating seniors don't seem to see the point of sitting through another ceremony. My mom works at my high school and it's astounding how many students come in asking if they have to go to graduation, uuughh, as though it's some kind of huge inconvenience. High school graduation--the only one that counts for anything, ever--is cheapened by having students go through graduation ceremonies at the end of every level of school.






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