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Dark Matter

Member Since 11 Jun 2009
Offline Last Active May 23, 2011 - 03:43

#53088 Self taught Japanese?

Posted TidusBlade on Jul 23, 2009 - 16:11

This should be an interesting thread XD I recently started self teaching myself about 2 weeks ago so I'm probably at a way lower level than you. Just including what I'm doing or what I plan to do just in case someone is interested in starting off...

Anyways, I tried learning the kanas first using Heisig's Remembering The Kana book which wasn't too hard, I still mess up with a few of them and it takes me forever to read and write them, but it's a start. I'm planning on picking up Remembering the Kanji Vol. 1, also by Heisig. It's sort of an interesting concept where you teach yourself all the Joyo Kanji and their meanings but not their pronunciation, that's saved for later. It was something like since a Chinese person learning Japanese already knows the characters but not their pronunciation, he'll find it easier to learn them. The book's intro, preface etc. should be way better than me in explaining all this anyways :) Can't comment much on his method but I read it's pretty effective since it relies heavily on imaginative memory and other people have found that it works well. You can grind through as many or as little as you want per day and not forget it if you use an SRS (Spaced Repetition Software), which is basically an intelligent flashcards program that shows you the flashcards based on which ones you don't know and which ones you know very well. I've had my eye on Anki and you can read more about them on the Anki homepage. Anki has a sweet Japanese plugin to get you started making a Japanese deck so I would recommend it :D

As for knowing the pronunciation, I already watch Anime so I pick up a word here or there and I guess it's not so bad since most books/courses etc. only teach you formal Japanese anyways, you're learning on your own so picking up anything is progress. There's also music, dramas, manga, games and children's books etc. so whatever medium you enjoy you can probably find it in Japanese. Supposedly there's this pretty good textbook that can easily be used for self study called Genki, haven't tried it myself but supposedly it's pretty good so it's worth checking out. I was also able to find this weird Japanese program called Let's Learn Japanese, looks like it's from the 80's XD It's not so bad and quite entertaining at time so something else to check out if you're interested.

As for not translating stuff into English and back, I'm still thinking in English so I doubt I can help much but recently I've been doing it a little less with common expressions, probably since I hear them so often, the meaning sticks (I have no idea how my brain work though XD). I just know it probably takes quite a long time so watching and listening to stuff in Japanese would probably help a lot. Also, I dunno if it works in Japanese but sometimes when I think in English I can see the word and letters so maybe reading and writing more Japanese would go a long way. I still don't know enough to open up a Japanese children's book but I imagine if you can, you might be able to go through it slowly, checking up words you don't know along the way. It might be slow but at least a kid's book is way more interesting than a Japanese textbook :) I try to write down the expressions I know in Kana, and although it takes long I'm getting slightly faster at doing it. I still don't visualize any kana in my brain but maybe I just need more time. Also, I haven't started yet but if you take the idea of using an SRS to remember stuff, you can do it with sentences you learn, so if you pick up say 10 new sentences/expressions a day, you put them into the SRS and end up remembering them.

Long post, but hope you find something useful in there :D And here's a bunch of links from my bookmarks, I got most of my ideas from around the internet, mainly from Khatzumoto's blog. The rest are random easy to find stuff like stroke order.

AJATT Blog - Great blog run by Khatzumoto, he's got a really great method so I picked up quite a bit off of it. Also great for motivation if you're feeling lazy. He organised his method on a contents page here.
Reveiwing The Kanji - Has a system to help you remember Kanji if you're following Heisig's Remembering The Kanji. I prefer Anki but it also has a forum so it's worth checking out.
Kanji-lish - Interesting Firefox addon which combines English and Kanji a bit so you can sort of practise Kanji while reading English online, don't use it yet though so can't comment more than that.

If you want to check out some of these before trying them, drop me a PM, should have them somewhere...

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