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#159697 PLEASE PARTICIPATE in my Math IA Survey!

Posted HiggsHunter on May 08, 2012 - 22:07

Doesn't the IB use SI units?

#156526 anyone taking further mathematics? Or just a myth

Posted aldld on Apr 13, 2012 - 04:06

Yep, it's all a scam. The IBO provides all these materials just to mess with people. In fact, it started out as a little April fool's joke and just grew from there.

#153933 Portfolio Type I -- Shadow Functions

Posted Mahuta ♥ on Mar 21, 2012 - 19:43

View PostIB Smacher, on Mar 21, 2012 - 11:21, said:

If funny that those people that think that they are smart and work hard okkky but others are less intelligent you PEOPLE !! and need your help .. that why IB smacher (me ;D ) is here to save you day .. by uploading the task to the files section ..

Very funny of you.
1) Intelligent people here give all the help they can without breaking any rules.
2) Sharing current IAs is against IBO rules.
3) If the 'less' intelligent people you're talking about put a little effort and not ask for the answers directly, we would have helped them.
4) By uploading your IA, you, IB Smacher are going to get you and others IB Smached.
5) You didn't really save their day because files are only available to VIPs and VIP subs.

#152535 Where will be my destination?

Posted Desy Glau on Mar 12, 2012 - 15:33

well it's your choice. it's your life. YOU have to be the one who decides. you can't let somebody choose for you, because it might not be the best for you.

I suggest you to look into these factors:

1. course structure. what modules will you have to take? what does the course include? this varies across universities so you really should check.

2. location. where are you originally from? any continent preference? got weather problems? accent problems or language barriers? perhaps you want to go somewhere you've been to before? or somewhere you've got relatives?

3. tuition fees. how crazy and how worthwhile is it? any scholarship offered?

4. accommodation. can you live on campus throughout the duration of your course? at what price?

5. extracurriculars. any clubs or societies you're particularly interested in? what's the uni active in? if you're a tennis player for example, surely you dont wanna go to a uni which doesn't have a tennis court.

6. career prospects / uni ranking. sometimes some companies like to hire graduates from top tier universities. if you'd like to work in the US for example then choose to go to Miami or UPenn. if you'd like to work in the UK then go for St Andrews. etc. and also maybe you might want to find out if the uni offers internship programmes or a year abroad or student exchange or something...



that's all I could think of right now. you need to look up those things and choose wisely. choose the one that suits you best. you know yourself best, you know what you want best, so you're the best person to choose which uni you should go to. we folks can only present subjective preferences.

also talk to your parents and your teachers. they could be very helpful. especially your parents cuz they will obviously have some preference on where you should go.

good luck!

#149835 Homosexuality

Posted Award Winning Boss on Feb 18, 2012 - 18:56

View PostCapt, on Feb 18, 2012 - 18:34, said:

I've been thinking recently, though I do support the notion of homosexuality (same sex marriages and stuff like that), I have found that I am strongly against the two having oral sex. I have always believed in homosexuality to the extent of platonic love, but that is where I draw the line. Any thoughts?

Why should you care what 2 people do during their lives? You wouldn't care if a couple went to Disney land together so why should you care what they do  in the privacy of their own home?

Also, you're for the marriages (which is something you could stop whether it be through political movements or something else) but how do you propose stopping two people having oral sex together?

#148743 Film studies Extended essay

Posted Gaby on Feb 08, 2012 - 01:09

It's your EE, not ours: we're not going to come up with an idea for you: it's your job. :)

#142592 Homosexuality

Posted Trololol Marf on Dec 07, 2011 - 00:19

View Postmarine18, on Dec 05, 2011 - 22:17, said:

Being gay isn't natural, you can't reproduce together. There is just a hormonal imbalance that has been passed on from generation to generation. I think being gay is wrong, but cannot be helped. Seriously not trying be offensive, but it is almost like being mentally handicapped. It doesn't fit in societies norms, but it isn't wrong either. What can ya do?

Being gay isn't natural? Being gay is wrong? Being gay is almost like being mentally handicapped?
So you say it isn't wrong, but you think it's wrong? Listen to yourself!

You should really broaden you views as to what you "think" is right or wrong. Is it right for you to not be yourself? Is it wrong for you to be yourself? Surely from your argument, the answers are yes if you are in the shoes of the homosexual. If it is wrong for a homosexual for him to be who he is, then you're also saying it's wrong for him to pursue happiness, and it's wrong for him to pursue love and life. Isn't that what we all do- don't we all try to pursue happiness in some way? If that's not natural, I don't know what is.

I am sorry you feel this way towards homosexuals. It is perfectly fine to dislike a homosexual, but you are disrespecting all homosexuals just because they are who they are. If so, what is the difference between you, and some racist jerk?

#142365 Homosexuality

Posted Arrowhead on Dec 06, 2011 - 00:16

It seems that are our resident has decided to 'show us (who support that homosexuality is alright) up' by bringing in a plethora of statistics of questionable validity. The reason I say questionable is because she cites her source as the International Organisation of Heterosexual Rights.

Not exactly the most neutral of parties.

The reason I believe there is some doubt in their statistics is because alongside these lovely points elucidated above, there are also some other interesting nuggets of truth they've displayed on their site. For example:

IOHR said:

"DO TERRORISM AND HOMOSEXUALITY ALWAYS WALK HAND IN HAND?"

"Are You, The Homosexuals of This Country, Stupid? Are You Trying To Kill Everybody!"

"Gay Activists made false allegations against "Love In Action" and "Refuge Program". Gay Activists make false claims to further the gay agenda. They have used the "we're the victim", and "need special rights" avenue many times in the past. Groups Like "Queer Action Coalition" and GLSEN's "Gay Straight Alliance" have used tactics like Intimidation, mass protest, harassment and flat out LIES to further their agenda."

"Homosexuals will commit violence to silence the truth. the beating of a church worker. So who is really committing the hate crimes, HOMOSEXUALS are!"

"Homosexual activist groups insist that your children are taught how to perform homosexual acts by the time they are in junior high school"

"Medical research now shows that homosexuality and gender identity disorder may be caused by SOY TOXINS and environmental poisons! Are you choosing your child's sexuality for him/her?"

But enough of questionable evidence, I decided to try to bring in some points of view from some more reputed sources:

Louise Arbour, Former UN High Commissioner for Human Rights said:

Neither the existence of national laws, nor the prevalence of custom can ever justify the abuse, attacks, torture and indeed killings that gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender persons are subjected to because of who they are or are perceived to be. Because of the stigma attached to issues surrounding sexual orientation and gender identity, violence against LGBT persons is frequently unreported, undocumented and goes ultimately unpunished. Rarely does it provoke public debate and outrage. This shameful silence is the ultimate rejection of the fundamental principle of universality of rights.

That was the former UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, someone at the top of the world in her research for human rights and their protection. Would you contend that she was misinformed and wrong in her beliefs, the woman who was at the behest of directing world resources to substantial causes of human rights?

Constitutional Court of Columbia said:

For a long time, homosexuals have been subject to intense forms of marginalisation and social and political exclusion, not only in our country but also in many other societies. Not only have homosexual behaviours been and continue to be criminalised by various legal provisions but, in addition, in the daily life, people with this sexual preference have been excluded from multiple social benefits and have had to [endure] social stigmatisation, which have amounted to, in the most extreme cases, campaigns of extermination against these populations. [...] The situation of homosexuals has been justified via conceptions according to which these people, because they present/display a sexual orientation different from the majority of the population, had been considered abnormal, ill, or immoral. [...] These old conceptions against homosexuality contradict essential values of contemporary public law, based on pluralism and recognition of autonomy and equal dignity of people and different walks of life.

That was the ruling of a Constitutional Court, a body of authority, a figure that can actually make a difference with its deliberations and decisions as opposed to an organisation like the International Organisation for Heterosexual Rights illuminated by our dear OP.

Justice Albie Sachs of the South African Constitutional Court said:

In the cause of gays, history and experience teach us that the scarring [biz] comes not from poverty or powerlessness, but from invisibility. It is the tainting of desire, it is the attribution of perversity and shame to spontaneous bodily affection, it is the prohibition of the expression of love, it is the denial of full moral citizenship in society because you are what you are, that impinges on the dignity and self-worth of a group. This special vulnerability of gays and lesbians as a minority group whose behaviour deviates from the official norm stems from the fact that [...] gays constitute a distinct though invisible section of the community that has been treated not only with disrespect or condescension but with disapproval and revulsion; they are not generally obvious as a group, pressurised by society and the law to remain invisible their identifying characteristic combines all the anxieties produced by sexuality with all the alienating effects resulting from difference; and they are seen as especially contagious or prone to corrupting others. None of these factors appl[y] to other groups traditionally subject to discrimination, such as people of colour or women, each of who, of course, have had to suffer their own specific forms of oppression.

A further highlight from a Lord Justice of the Constitutinal Court of South Africa, the only woman on the Council, a lesbian, educated at Oxford and Cambridge, and recipient of an award for female scholars in South Africa. Would you consider this gay woman to be mentally deficient?

Finally, I direct you to:

Archbishop Desmond Tutu, Nobel Peace Prize Laureate and Anglican archbishop said:

To penalise someone because of their sexual orientation is like what used to happen to us, to be penalised for something which we could do nothing about our ethnicity, out race [...] I would find it quite unacceptable to condemn, persecute a minority that has already been persecuted.

These are only a few of the introductory quotes. Feel free to have a look at the whole document: http://icj.org/IMG/P...GuideonSOGI.pdf

It is called Sexual Orientation, Gender Identity, and International Human Rights Law. This was one of the first documents of its nature passed by one of the most esteemed of international judicial bodies: The International Commission of Jurists.

It is also worth noting that the seven individuals who chaired this entire commission on this report were involved in deep human rights issues since a long time: two having been founding members of the Human Rights Watch, another was on the panel for the International Arbitration Commission on Yugoslavia and the atrocities for Opinions 6 and 3 in Bosnia-Herzegovina and Kosovo in the '90s, a fourth served as a judge of the International Criminal Court, and two other were pre-eminent in bringing to light the need for legality of homosexuality in cross-jurisdictional borders across the Atlantic.

Very distinguished, very intelligent people. People whose words are worth reading and whose opinions you can respect.

#90138 Gay Marriage

Posted Daedalus on Nov 29, 2010 - 20:53

View PostDalia, on Nov 29, 2010 - 20:18, said:

I don't really have anything against gays , but their marriage isn't really something to look forward, I mean, When straight people get married they mostly want having kids and making a family- Not counting sexuality-, but a gay marriage wouldn't have anything to do with kids and family, so it's really not a big deal to ask for.

Your ignorance is filthy.

Hint: gay marriages have lots to do with kids and family.

#139826 IA topic

Posted Emy Glau-ski on Nov 17, 2011 - 02:14

You might find more help if you post your questions in the appropriate forum. Try posting in the Math Studies forum, someone there will be able to give you more help than in this forum. http://www.ibsurviva...-maths-studies/

#131103 Eco Commentary Tips required

Posted Julia32 on Sep 11, 2011 - 10:46

Quick tip: when choosing an article, i always try to find one that is brief and simple and isnt very long so it leaves you room to define and explain it.. here are some notes on the general eco portfolio process:


INTERNAL ASSESSMENT: PORTFOLIO OF COMMENTARIES

REQUIREMENTS

Students will produce a portfolio of four commentaries of 650 to 750 words each, based on published extracts from news media.  The extracts may be from a newspaper, a journal or the World Wide Web, but must not be from television or radio broadcasts.  

Each commentary must:

• explain the linkages between the extract and an economic theory taken from the section of the syllabus on which the commentary is based
• demonstrate economic insights into the implications of the extract (that is, it should provide evidence of the student’s ability to evaluate current events from the point of view of an economist).

FOCUS

Three out of the four commentaries must have as their main focus a different section of the syllabus, although it is acceptable for commentaries to make reference to other sections. (eg. microeconomics focus with macroeconomic references).  The fourth commentary can focus either on a single section of the syllabus or can focus on two or more sections.  

SELECTION OF EXTRACTS (ARTICLES)

The extracts on which each commentary is based must be drawn from four different sources.  Extracts must, as far as possible, be contemporaneous with the course. Students should be searching for material relating to current events. This may include material published up to six months before the start of the course.

GUIDANCE

Students will be able to submit a draft of their first commentary to Mr. Messere.  Feedback will be provided so that revisions and improvements can be made by the student.  Please note that the entire portfolio is graded against the scoring rubric in an holistic manner.  Individual commentaries are not graded.







Organization and Presentation

• Provide a cover page including all relevant information for each commentary as indicated below:  (see sample of this cover page and exemplars within study guide)

 Title of extract
 Source of extract
 Date of extract
 Word count of the commentary
 Date the commentary was written
 Section(s) of the syllabus (Section 2: Microeconomics / Section 3: Macroeconomics) to which the commentary relates

• Summarize the main idea and its relationship to the economic principles to be applied in the commentary (do not devote more than 2 to 3 sentences to this)
• do not use news editorials or columns as one of your extracts
• Make sure your source is from a reputable news media outlet (The Globe and Mail, The Toronto Star, The Economist etc..) – the article can relate to Canadian or international economic issues
• Diagrams should be clearly and neatly labeled and specific data (eg. numbers) should be incorporated in to the diagram
• Stay within the word count limit (650-750 words) for each commentary
• Highlight or underline the relevant parts of the article being considered (consider sentences/paragraphs that relate the economic principles and ideas being considered in your commentary) & consider short articles
• include a table of contents with your last commentary submission for the portfolio
• Use a duo-tang folder for your final submission  (do not enclose each commentary in plastic jackets or sleeves)
• Save a copy (electronic or print) of each commentary and article for editing and moderation purposes

Use of Economic Terminology
• Use consistent and precise economic terms when discussing relevant economic principles and concepts
• Provide correct definitions of three to four relevant economic terms being focused upon within your commentary

Application and Analysis of Economic Concepts and Theories
• Properly identify and apply relevant economic concepts/theories
• Analyze how the relevant economic concept/theory relates to the article; provide economic insights based on your understanding of economics


Evaluation
• Evaluate the economic concepts or theories in the context of real world examples (in other words – can the student judge an economic theory and an application  to a given situation with an awareness that the theory may not provide an accurate description?)
o after defining relevant terms and applying the economic concepts, take the next step when writing your commentary … “economic theory would suggest that ‘such and such’ would happen, but in reality it has not …”  - determine and explain why not (eg. perfect competition, comparative advantage theory all based on assumptions that often don’t hold up in real world economy)

#133932 French Idioms

Posted GetMeA7 on Oct 03, 2011 - 23:41

Bleh...I just had a idiomatic expression test... so I will contribute to this list. Be warned... there are a lot. (Im srry if i repeated existing expressions)

Tel qui rit vendredi dimanche pleurera
Laughter is akin to tears
Tous songes sont mensonges
All dreams are lies
Tout lasse, tout casse, tout passe
All good will come to an end
Qui se resemblent s’assemblent
Birds of a feather flock together
Une fois n’est pas coutume
One swallow does not make a summer. (if that doesnt make sense: one time does not make a trend)
Qui trop se dépêche reste en chemin
Slow and sure wins the race
Regarder de haut en bas
Look at scornfully
Appeler un chat un chat
Call a spade a spade (Kinda like... don't go around the subject)
Reculer pour mieux sauter
Await a better opportunity
Il faut cultiver son jardin
Mind your own business
Plus on est des fous, plus on rit
The more the merrier
Il ne faut pas éveiller le chat qui dort
Let the sleeping dog lie (don't fix what's not broken)
Jeter de la poudre aux yeux
To mislead
Parlez du loup et vous verrez sa queue
Speak of the devil and he shall appear
Prendre la lune avec les dents
Reach for the stars
Coûter les yeux de la tête
To cost you an arm and a leg (Very expensive)
Faire un temps de chien
Bad weather
Avoir d’autres chats à fouetter
To have bigger fish to fry (Better things to do)
Il ne faut pas vendre la peau de l’ours avant de l’avoir tué
Dont have your chicks before they hatch
Avoir du pain sur la planche
Have alot on one’s plate
Avoir un chat dans la gorge
To have a frog in the throat (sore throat)
Avoir une faim de loup
To be able to eat a horse
Ne pas être dans son assiette
Feeling under the weather
Un coup de fil
A phone call
Baigner dans l’huile
Everything is going well. In a good place.
C’est la fin des naricots/C’est le bouquet!
That’s the last draw
Avoir la puce à l’oreille
To worry
Mettre des bâtons dans les roues./Chercher la petite bête.
Put a spoke in someone’s wheel (burst someone's bubble)
Perdre la boule
Go nuts (go crazy)
Ne pas mâcher ses mots
Don’t beat around the bush (Don't mince your words)
Les carottes sont cuites
The game’s up (It's over)
Y mettre le paquet
To go all out
Ne pas pouvoir voir quelqu’un/e en peinture
Can’t stand the sight of someone
C’est vachement chouette
That’s really cute!
Passer/Sauter du coq à l’âne
To jump from one thing to another (change subjects).
Je dois repartir à zéro
Back to square one (restart at ground zero)
Ce n’est pas la mer à boire.
It’s not rocket science

Ok, that's all I can type for now, hope it wasn't a complete waste of time =/

p.s. i have more if anyone wants them

#126852 Homosexuality

Posted Matthew Sinclair on Aug 16, 2011 - 13:00

View PostKeel, on Aug 15, 2011 - 13:53, said:

View PostMatthew Sinclair, on Aug 15, 2011 - 11:33, said:

Also, why must it be seen from your medical perspective as a "disease" rather than an example of "genetic variation in the population" or something else? It needs to meet certain medical criteria to be classified as a disease and evidently it does not.

Yet I must agree with you that I think it is better to approach it from a medical rather than political viewpoint.  However, unfortunately it's the politics surrounding the subject that need addressing/change still.  Medically, I think it's (in the western world), well agreed upon to not be a disease/a problem.



On a side note, if anyone reading this has any personal questions/needs help or advice regarding this subject, feel free to message me and I'll try to reply asap :)

I wish to clarify a few points. Firstly, I said 'disorder' not 'disease'. In my opinion, there is a very fine line between the two. A 'disorder' is used mainly to describe intrinsic abnormalities; malfunctions which occur naturally due to genetics or one-off external experiences which causes the malfunction. A 'disease' is used to describe extrinsic causes which impair bodily functions. As such you can 'catch' a disease but you can't 'catch' a disorder. You have skewed what I was trying to say by portraying me as describing homosexuality as a 'disease which will infect everyone'. No.

Secondly, it is not 'my perspective'. It is the perspective I think any person who has a critical mind should take. You seem to think that there is zero possibility that it is a disorder. I don't think that is the right approach. You stated before that you would not accept treatment if, hypothetically, homosexuality was indeed a disorder, but you didn't say why you would refuse treatment in such a scenario. To ignore the possibility would be wrong. Another poster stated that they wouldn't support any research on such a 'disorder'. I think this is absurd. I would have thought that all homosexuals, bisexuals and heterosexuals would want a medical explanation at least on the issue of sexuality. Never mind whether you can medically change your sexuality or whether it is a 'disorder'. If no research should be done on the topic, there is no reason to discuss it here; it would be a complete waste of OUR time, not some random researcher's.

Matthew, I accept your offer of help and advice. Up to now it may seem like I'm homophobic, re-read my post(s); it is critical, but with purpose. I am myself slightly confused about my sexuality which is why I find this topic important, especially with regards to childhood experience and parental upbringing. My mother brought me up on her own; I have played very little sports as a child thus being with other guys wasn't a common experience. So here's the question: how do you whether you are 'attracted to males' or simply 'curious' about them due to lack of experience? Does this question define whether one is straight or bisexual? Your comments are appreciated.


All I said was that I think the possibility that it is a "disorder" has been heavily researched and questioned, and I think it's safe to say it's not.  

The reason why I wouldn't accept treatment? Because I am completely happy with who I am.  I am very happy with my life and where I'm going.  I am in a loving, monogamous, long-term relationship.  I have family and friends that love me.  etc. etc.  As a result of these and many more, I have no reason to change.  I wouldn't want to jeopardize what I already have, which for me is something very special.  



I believe that my sexuality (and I think all sexuality, but I should only really speak for my own experience), is genetic/biological.  I don't think it has anything to do with my upbringing/environment.  And I would say it runs in the family as I also have a gay brother (and another one who is straight).  I have many gay/bi cousins and relatives....one of whom is 88, a war veteran from Africa, and a millionaire! haha.

For me, and I think for many people, experience (like actually doing something physical with someone else) isn't necessary.  For me, I knew from what I was attracted to when looking at porn on the internet.  I looked at all sorts of things (all I mean is like guys and girls ahaha).  From that I developed a personal understanding of my own sexuality.  I did find it hard to come to terms with it, but that was because I didn't have anyone to talk to.  Fortunately there are MANY, MANY internet sites and forums with lots of great, supportive information on it that can help a lot.  Also friends, too.  Ever since I came out, I've had a few other friends tell me that they're actually gay, or bi, or questioning, or what ever.  It was great to be able to talk to them about it all.  A very important thing is to not blame yourself or others.  There's nothing wrong with it.  It's just a natural part of life :)

There's no rush in needing to know your sexuality.  It's a gradual process.  I think the most important thing is the support of others.  You need to understand that some people might not react well, but that shouldn't deter you.  Yet who knows :P Not a single one of my friends reacted badly.  Quite the contrary I'd say.  When I put up my change of relationship status to be with my boyfriend, I had about 40 something likes and heaps of positive comments.  More than when I posted I got an IB 43 ahaha.  My parents were not as good, but they were trying to come to terms with having 2 out of 3 gay sons.  It didn't take long for them to come to terms with it though, and now things are great.  

So to answer your question, yes I think you can know without actual experience.  For me the actual experience confirmed completely what I already knew.  But just because you have some feelings for members of the same sex doesn't mean your gay, or even bi.  That's for you to decide.  A lot of people (most probably wouldn't admit it) have similar feelings, especially in high school/college.  It's just a part of growing up.

Just remember this.  The most important thing in your life should be being happy and finding love.

Sorry this was all over the place haha.  It's getting a bit late here (11pm wow.  Clearly no longer an IB student).  

I'll try and add more to this later if I think of things.

You're under no pressure.  There's no time constraints.  There are no tests related to this (my best attempt at an IB analogy).  Just take it easy and enjoy yourself.  (and be safe).



edit.

but on a side note, I think it's better to come to an understanding of your sexuality as soon as you can (without rushing!).  I'm just saying that it's not preferable to end up getting married and having kids and then coming to accept it etc.  (but that doesn't mean you can't get married and have kids!! Just preferably with the person you're actually going to stay with your whole life! I hope to marry my boyfriend and perhaps have a family one day.  who knows :P)

For me I fully came to accept that I am gay during my IB exams because I was writing a valedictorian/school captain speech and was talking about the different measures of personal success and part of that was the notion that success should be derived from being true to one's self.  You need to be true to who you are and accept and embrace that and try to be the best person you can be.  And ever since I accepted that and came out and started exploring my true sexuality...I really started to love life and things really changed for the better :) I feel so much more clarity and direction.    

Also for the record, I did date girls many times before...and it sucked haha.  One of the girls I dated (for 4 months about 3 years ago) is now one of my closest friends.  We became so much closer after telling her I'm gay.  She was so supportive and understanding and we talk about everything now haha.

#93797 Homosexuality

Posted Morpheus on Dec 30, 2010 - 15:55

View PostGrumps, on Dec 29, 2010 - 20:51, said:

View Postwinter, on Dec 27, 2010 - 00:58, said:

But if you allow them to continue - it's unnatural is easily debunked - animals sometimes attempt to mate with a similarly sexed animal.
I think that's hardly an argument that homosexuality is natural, if that's the argument you want to take. Animals do a wide range of things that are not considered natural. We'va all heard of the Black Widow Spiders and Praying Mantises eat their mates, that is hardly natural. Even if it was "natural" you can't exactly say it's morally right. Animals cheat on their spouses and kill each other for territory, as humans often do, yet it is considered immoral.


Sorry Grumps, but you have made some mistakes.  :lc:

Natural = existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by. (Taken from New Oxford American Dictionary). Any behaviour that a species exhibits without the interference of mankind is natural.

Thus, a spider eating it's mate IS natural, however if a human gave an ape a cigar and made it look like it was gambling it would NOT be natural.

Many animal species exhibit homosexual behaviour, thus by definition. Homosexual behaviour can be naturally found in mammals.

Secondly, animals are not usually judged for their morality or thought of as moral creatures even though they/some may possess great higher reasoning powers. In that light, your second analogy isn't really applicable.

Finally, I'd like you to explain your choice of words, you are implying that homosexuality might not be "morally right". Why and How would you decide that?

#93132 Homosexuality

Posted winter on Dec 27, 2010 - 00:58

Gay marriage? Yes.
Why? Because the reasons against it are ********. The Bible doesn't contain directions for a marriage ceremony. Marriages in the Bible are civil in nature, not religious. So, the religious reasons against it die there. But if you allow them to continue - it's unnatural is easily debunked - animals sometimes attempt to mate with a similarly sexed animal.
Allowing all consenting adults to marry is not a path to allowing adults and non-human animals to marry.



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