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Matthew Sinclair
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#142356 Homosexuality
Posted
on Dec 05, 2011 - 23:41
As soon as I make up my own statistics, I'll let you know, dear
#142280 Homosexuality
Posted
on Dec 05, 2011 - 13:19
Animistic Anaemia, on Apr 21, 2011 - 18:37, said:
First of all, we're not the most adequate people to be debating this topic lol We're just students that have no deep knowledge about this whole Morality topic.
However, just look at what is happening. Gay people are growing. Not because they now have the freedom to assume themselves as gay but because of other aspects. We've actually reverted what is the basis of democracy: we've turned the minorities more powerful than the majorities. You see, all the politicians want, is to have votes. Thus, they give freedom of speech and freedom of sex. But what are the repercussions to the society?
Not to begin with the whole religious part of it and to mention all that has been said, it definitely corrupts the society. Usually, gay couples that adopt a child will almost force their adopted child to be gay as well. So, where is the freedom of choice here? A child is constantly given the opportunity to experience something that corrupts their mind with thoughts that most of the times are not real. Gay people say that we are all gay, it's just the society that has been telling us that is wrong. And to prove this, they use Freud's method (which btw, has been considered to not be valid for most of the psychological problems...). Where is ethics here? They are disturbing a person's mind.
Now look at this in a more small world. Imagine two best friends. Doesn't matter their sex. One thinks that he's having feelings for the other. As all of you must've experienced, when a person starts to like the other (in opposite sex) it always gives either the wrong way or they end up dating. Now, as the other one is not gay, what will happen is an obsession to turn the other one gay because gay people cannot accept the fact that others are not gay (AND if you actually analyse their attitude, gay people turn out to be the most aggressive despite the fact that they seem to be fragile at a first glance). For gay people, there is no such thing as friendship. Friendship is just a beginning to a relationship. This is another reason to a problem they have: Gay people cannot maintain a relationship stable because they are not capable of being with the same person forever (which does not happen in real marriage - if the marriage is properly held and husband and wife are committed). No matter what happens, they will not stay together if another gay comes. Gay people tend to have (and sorry for using the word) orgies. Hence, I ask, where is the concept of matrimony?? There is no such thing for them.
It was not that deep in terms of TOK but it was meant to talk about what really goes on in reality in a society that accepts homosexuality. Friendship is not a natural thing. It was created by Man (if not by God) and it's quite a strange bond that you won't find in any other species. All the other ones just live in community but there won't be any bond that we can name as friendship.
Hope you got my ideas. and yes, I'm absolutely against homosexuality...
However, just look at what is happening. Gay people are growing. Not because they now have the freedom to assume themselves as gay but because of other aspects. We've actually reverted what is the basis of democracy: we've turned the minorities more powerful than the majorities. You see, all the politicians want, is to have votes. Thus, they give freedom of speech and freedom of sex. But what are the repercussions to the society?
Not to begin with the whole religious part of it and to mention all that has been said, it definitely corrupts the society. Usually, gay couples that adopt a child will almost force their adopted child to be gay as well. So, where is the freedom of choice here? A child is constantly given the opportunity to experience something that corrupts their mind with thoughts that most of the times are not real. Gay people say that we are all gay, it's just the society that has been telling us that is wrong. And to prove this, they use Freud's method (which btw, has been considered to not be valid for most of the psychological problems...). Where is ethics here? They are disturbing a person's mind.
Now look at this in a more small world. Imagine two best friends. Doesn't matter their sex. One thinks that he's having feelings for the other. As all of you must've experienced, when a person starts to like the other (in opposite sex) it always gives either the wrong way or they end up dating. Now, as the other one is not gay, what will happen is an obsession to turn the other one gay because gay people cannot accept the fact that others are not gay (AND if you actually analyse their attitude, gay people turn out to be the most aggressive despite the fact that they seem to be fragile at a first glance). For gay people, there is no such thing as friendship. Friendship is just a beginning to a relationship. This is another reason to a problem they have: Gay people cannot maintain a relationship stable because they are not capable of being with the same person forever (which does not happen in real marriage - if the marriage is properly held and husband and wife are committed). No matter what happens, they will not stay together if another gay comes. Gay people tend to have (and sorry for using the word) orgies. Hence, I ask, where is the concept of matrimony?? There is no such thing for them.
It was not that deep in terms of TOK but it was meant to talk about what really goes on in reality in a society that accepts homosexuality. Friendship is not a natural thing. It was created by Man (if not by God) and it's quite a strange bond that you won't find in any other species. All the other ones just live in community but there won't be any bond that we can name as friendship.
Hope you got my ideas. and yes, I'm absolutely against homosexuality...
That is one of the most disturbed and f*cked up things I have ever read. Dear Lord, where do you get your information from?
Where do you get off gay couples forcing their adoptive children or so being gay? My neighbours are a gay couple and they're some of the nicest people I've ever met. I dunno which rock you live under, but if you do ever listen to the news, it's generally the opposite, straight couples force their gay children to be straight. You would think that a gay couple constitutes people who at some level have been encouraged to not be who they are, these people more than anyone else would be more receptive and understanding of their children's identities and needs. This has to be one of the most screwed up claims I've ever heard being made. Consequently, your Freudian argument fails to stand since the essential claim is baseless.
You seem to think that a gay man or woman is inherently a stalker and obsessed with what he/she wants. News flash, when I find out someone I like is not gay, I just shrug and move on, I don't start a desperate campaign to turn him gay, that would be insane. However, what I have seen often is a straight woman convincing a gay man that he is really straight, that's actually a pretty common thing to happen (speaking from personal experience here). I'm sure that there are some gay men/women who are weird and disturbing and stalkerish, but no more in proportion to the straight men/women out there who are the same. To generalise that all gay men/women are such is ludicrous and you should really worry about your ToK essay because I imagine your narrow-mindedness precipitating to a monumental failure.
You did not just call gay people 'fragile'? That is a stereotype, I'm bisexual and I can guarantee you that I could beat up a 100% straight boy, just as I'm sure vice-versa is possible. The whole 'womanly' gay stereotype does happen, but it is not dominant among all gay men. To believe so is unfathomable.
Gay people are not naturally attracted to having orgies you twisted...urgh! Hello? Do you know what is considered every straight man's dream? A threesome with two women, the epitome of all fantasies. Not exactly matrimonial and monogamous. Also, I don't know which world you live in, but marriages are falling apart all around us, infidelity is widespread, and divorce rates are skyrocketing. And this has me thinking, what about those Muslim Shahs who take on 4-5 wives? What guarantee is there that they're not having super sex orgies in gigantic master bedrooms? And even if they were, who cares? Just to make a point that the want for a 'orgy' is prevalent among straight and gay communities in equal proportions.
Gay people can too maintain a relationship. My most successful relationship since puberty lasted 6 months and that was with a man. All my relationships with women have fallen apart for one reason or another within a few months. While I may not be the greatest example out there, I know loads of gay friends who've been in committed, loving, long-standing relationships with each other spanning years, years. A feat that most married couples can't accomplish in this day and age.
You, you live under a rock, a rock on a lonely, deserted island in the middle of the Bermuda Triangle. You have no idea what you've just commented on so vociferously. Yes, you have an opinion, but your opinion is so objectively wrong that it is nothing more than ignorance on you part.
#127679 Pornography
Posted
on Aug 21, 2011 - 20:38
Whatever helps the global economy in times like this...
#125619 Pornography
Posted
on Aug 02, 2011 - 19:15
Randomly came to this thread and I have a few ideas on why porn is indeed a positive force for society...
1. Porn gives you a model. Just like you base your actions as a father (when that bridge comes, I mean) on your own dad, and your waiter-role on things you picked up unconsciously while others waited on you, so too do people need to learn sex. It's much more than just sticking it into the hole ("...honey, which one is it? I know it's down here but it's kind of hard to see, do you want try again after shaving?").
2. Porn gives you technique. It gives you ideas for positions. It makes going down on a girl sound less weird .. a lot of the time things that are strange or awkward become natural if we get used to them, through exposure, and I for one was happy to know my way around my first time.
3. Porn doesn't "legitimize" violence. This is an old debate .. do video games incite aggression or provide an outlet for it? I think both are sustainable viewpoints but in the sexual context, if you don't like your partner in bed (I mean this to you girls), leave him! You can't blame porn for what he likes. I've been watching it a long time and I've never enjoyed anything remotely S & M...
4. It's also a misconception that a lot of porn is violent etc. Have you ever looked at the categories at youporn? Everything from lesbians (yay!) to girls masturbating to BBD and BBW (less yay) and bukkake. (which evolved, by the way, following a Japanese law that forbade the showing of penises. Censorship -- look what happens!)
5. There's a lot of variety and maybe some of it some girls wouldn't do, but sex is a component of a relationship, and again, people need to be compatible. Number one tip for getting oral sex from a girl: do it to her first! People come from many backgrounds. The argument that porn gives guys unrealistic expectations is not rational. Does Rambo or any number of Schwartzenegger movies determine what girls expect of men? Funny fact: people can actually tell the difference between movies and real life.
6. People getting addicted to porn are rare and far between. People get addicted to coffee too actually, quite spectacularly, and even in the most extreme cases (e.g. >10 coffees a day?) these are more common than porn addicts. Plus how many of these porn addicts wouldn't have been addicted to masturbation regardless?
7. It's pretty rare for women to get sucked into the porn industry against their well, afaik. Loads of female pornstars have their own websites, interviews, etc. Have you ever seen them talking? They love their job! Prostitution is more of a problem than porn and even then, when it comes under legislation and goes through the proper channels (red light district anyone?) there's no real harm done. Read Superfreakonomics.
8. And seriously, porn doesn't 'objectify' sex. Sex is pretty objective to begin with, frankly, it's what happens when evolutionary-ily developed urges with hormones as their proximate causes seize control of your body in a very literal way, as guys who wake up in the morning will realize. (most of us do, you know. wake up in the morning. gloriously.) Lots of guys and girls don't like watching porn; if that's you, you know who your match is. Other people enjoy watching it together as couples, trying things out, keeping things exciting.
9. Which leads me to my final and conclusive point: sex wouldn't be half as fun without porn. (Also, guys would be twice as horny, but that's a side issue...)
1. Porn gives you a model. Just like you base your actions as a father (when that bridge comes, I mean) on your own dad, and your waiter-role on things you picked up unconsciously while others waited on you, so too do people need to learn sex. It's much more than just sticking it into the hole ("...honey, which one is it? I know it's down here but it's kind of hard to see, do you want try again after shaving?").
2. Porn gives you technique. It gives you ideas for positions. It makes going down on a girl sound less weird .. a lot of the time things that are strange or awkward become natural if we get used to them, through exposure, and I for one was happy to know my way around my first time.
3. Porn doesn't "legitimize" violence. This is an old debate .. do video games incite aggression or provide an outlet for it? I think both are sustainable viewpoints but in the sexual context, if you don't like your partner in bed (I mean this to you girls), leave him! You can't blame porn for what he likes. I've been watching it a long time and I've never enjoyed anything remotely S & M...
4. It's also a misconception that a lot of porn is violent etc. Have you ever looked at the categories at youporn? Everything from lesbians (yay!) to girls masturbating to BBD and BBW (less yay) and bukkake. (which evolved, by the way, following a Japanese law that forbade the showing of penises. Censorship -- look what happens!)
5. There's a lot of variety and maybe some of it some girls wouldn't do, but sex is a component of a relationship, and again, people need to be compatible. Number one tip for getting oral sex from a girl: do it to her first! People come from many backgrounds. The argument that porn gives guys unrealistic expectations is not rational. Does Rambo or any number of Schwartzenegger movies determine what girls expect of men? Funny fact: people can actually tell the difference between movies and real life.
6. People getting addicted to porn are rare and far between. People get addicted to coffee too actually, quite spectacularly, and even in the most extreme cases (e.g. >10 coffees a day?) these are more common than porn addicts. Plus how many of these porn addicts wouldn't have been addicted to masturbation regardless?
7. It's pretty rare for women to get sucked into the porn industry against their well, afaik. Loads of female pornstars have their own websites, interviews, etc. Have you ever seen them talking? They love their job! Prostitution is more of a problem than porn and even then, when it comes under legislation and goes through the proper channels (red light district anyone?) there's no real harm done. Read Superfreakonomics.
8. And seriously, porn doesn't 'objectify' sex. Sex is pretty objective to begin with, frankly, it's what happens when evolutionary-ily developed urges with hormones as their proximate causes seize control of your body in a very literal way, as guys who wake up in the morning will realize. (most of us do, you know. wake up in the morning. gloriously.) Lots of guys and girls don't like watching porn; if that's you, you know who your match is. Other people enjoy watching it together as couples, trying things out, keeping things exciting.
9. Which leads me to my final and conclusive point: sex wouldn't be half as fun without porn. (Also, guys would be twice as horny, but that's a side issue...)
#126590 Homosexuality
Posted
on Aug 13, 2011 - 18:12
Treating homosexuality as a disorder is a bit extreme. What next? Will they start treating celibates and people who don't want to have children? Even if it were a disorder, I wouldn't support any research to find a cure for it because it's simply waste of resources. There are worse diseases out there that need the time and attention.
Haha, why not? Odd question.
Edit: Post #132 on the 13th
Daedalus, on Aug 13, 2011 - 12:23, said:
Other than that my only question is .. why would you put your SAT scores in your signature?
Edit: Post #132 on the 13th
#121534 Homosexuality
Posted
on Jun 21, 2011 - 14:29
1529, on Apr 21, 2011 - 18:37, said:
First of all, we're not the most adequate people to be debating this topic lol We're just students that have no deep knowledge about this whole Morality topic.
However, just look at what is happening. Gay people are growing. Not because they now have the freedom to assume themselves as gay but because of other aspects. We've actually reverted what is the basis of democracy: we've turned the minorities more powerful than the majorities. You see, all the politicians want, is to have votes. Thus, they give freedom of speech and freedom of sex. But what are the repercussions to the society?
Not to begin with the whole religious part of it and to mention all that has been said, it definitely corrupts the society. Usually, gay couples that adopt a child will almost force their adopted child to be gay as well. So, where is the freedom of choice here? A child is constantly given the opportunity to experience something that corrupts their mind with thoughts that most of the times are not real. Gay people say that we are all gay, it's just the society that has been telling us that is wrong. And to prove this, they use Freud's method (which btw, has been considered to not be valid for most of the psychological problems...). Where is ethics here? They are disturbing a person's mind.
Now look at this in a more small world. Imagine two best friends. Doesn't matter their sex. One thinks that he's having feelings for the other. As all of you must've experienced, when a person starts to like the other (in opposite sex) it always gives either the wrong way or they end up dating. Now, as the other one is not gay, what will happen is an obsession to turn the other one gay because gay people cannot accept the fact that others are not gay (AND if you actually analyse their attitude, gay people turn out to be the most aggressive despite the fact that they seem to be fragile at a first glance). For gay people, there is no such thing as friendship. Friendship is just a beginning to a relationship. This is another reason to a problem they have: Gay people cannot maintain a relationship stable because they are not capable of being with the same person forever (which does not happen in real marriage - if the marriage is properly held and husband and wife are committed). No matter what happens, they will not stay together if another gay comes. Gay people tend to have (and sorry for using the word) orgies. Hence, I ask, where is the concept of matrimony?? There is no such thing for them.
It was not that deep in terms of TOK but it was meant to talk about what really goes on in reality in a society that accepts homosexuality. Friendship is not a natural thing. It was created by Man (if not by God) and it's quite a strange bond that you won't find in any other species. All the other ones just live in community but there won't be any bond that we can name as friendship.
Hope you got my ideas. and yes, I'm absolutely against homosexuality...
However, just look at what is happening. Gay people are growing. Not because they now have the freedom to assume themselves as gay but because of other aspects. We've actually reverted what is the basis of democracy: we've turned the minorities more powerful than the majorities. You see, all the politicians want, is to have votes. Thus, they give freedom of speech and freedom of sex. But what are the repercussions to the society?
Not to begin with the whole religious part of it and to mention all that has been said, it definitely corrupts the society. Usually, gay couples that adopt a child will almost force their adopted child to be gay as well. So, where is the freedom of choice here? A child is constantly given the opportunity to experience something that corrupts their mind with thoughts that most of the times are not real. Gay people say that we are all gay, it's just the society that has been telling us that is wrong. And to prove this, they use Freud's method (which btw, has been considered to not be valid for most of the psychological problems...). Where is ethics here? They are disturbing a person's mind.
Now look at this in a more small world. Imagine two best friends. Doesn't matter their sex. One thinks that he's having feelings for the other. As all of you must've experienced, when a person starts to like the other (in opposite sex) it always gives either the wrong way or they end up dating. Now, as the other one is not gay, what will happen is an obsession to turn the other one gay because gay people cannot accept the fact that others are not gay (AND if you actually analyse their attitude, gay people turn out to be the most aggressive despite the fact that they seem to be fragile at a first glance). For gay people, there is no such thing as friendship. Friendship is just a beginning to a relationship. This is another reason to a problem they have: Gay people cannot maintain a relationship stable because they are not capable of being with the same person forever (which does not happen in real marriage - if the marriage is properly held and husband and wife are committed). No matter what happens, they will not stay together if another gay comes. Gay people tend to have (and sorry for using the word) orgies. Hence, I ask, where is the concept of matrimony?? There is no such thing for them.
It was not that deep in terms of TOK but it was meant to talk about what really goes on in reality in a society that accepts homosexuality. Friendship is not a natural thing. It was created by Man (if not by God) and it's quite a strange bond that you won't find in any other species. All the other ones just live in community but there won't be any bond that we can name as friendship.
Hope you got my ideas. and yes, I'm absolutely against homosexuality...
This post does slightly annoy me. You cannot speak for the entire homosexual demographic and by your stance I don't think you know many homosexuals personally. You have no argument - You are only backing up your prejudiced view with misconceptions
There have been some really interesting opinions so far. I've just come back from my holidays since I finished on the 19th of May. In a week I'm leaving the UK again for some summer sun and my boyfriend is coming with me. He wants to get married and I think we will soon now we're both 18.
I find it really interesting that some people seem to think so illogically.
Blind hate against homosexuality is just as unacceptable as any other form of discrimination.
I suppose even an IB TOK course can't open some peoples' minds.
#116743 Homosexuality
Posted
on May 19, 2011 - 22:56
Noticed the url was wrong hope this is right now!
#111675 The Change One Letter Game
Posted
on Apr 25, 2011 - 15:33
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#107813 Pornography
Posted
on Mar 26, 2011 - 18:58
I have trouble coming up with downsides to porn. Getting rid of it would be horrible!
#115991 French: Any good topics?
Posted
on May 16, 2011 - 09:27
The new syllabus for French B starts for May 2013 exam takers.
The course comprises five topics: three from the core and two chosen from the five options. At least two aspects must be covered in each of the five topics that make up the course. Additionally, at HL students must read two works of literature.
There are three topics in the core.
Communication and media
Global issues
Social relationships
Communication and media
How people interact, transmit and gather data for the purposes of information and entertainment.
Possible aspects to cover:
advertising
bias in media
censorship
internet
mail
press
radio and television
sensationalism in media
telephone.
Global issues
Current matters and future scenarios that have an impact at a regional, national and/or international level, bearing in mind that they need to be addressed from the perspective of the target language’s culture(s).
Possible aspects to cover:
drugs
energy reserves
food and water
global warming, climate change, natural disasters
globalization
international economy
migration (rural–urban, or international)
poverty and famine
racism, prejudice, discrimination
the effect of man on nature
the environment and sustainability.
Social relationships
How people interrelate and behave—as members of a community, individually and in groups.
Possible aspects to cover:
celebrations, social and religious events
educational system
language and cultural identity, or self-identity
linguistic dominance
minorities
multilingualism
nationalism, patriotism, fanaticism
relationships (friendship, work, family)
social and/or political structures
social behaviours and stances
taboos versus what is socially acceptable.
Options
There are five topics in the options.
Cultural diversity
Customs and traditions
Health
Leisure
Science and technology
So probably one of your oral can be based around these topics?
If you're not following the new syllabus, I think the basic criteria for your topic is either something revolving around your topics that you've covered in class, or a contemporary article from the newspaper.
My friends did quite interesting topics for their exams this year including:
- Alcoholism in France
- The effect of the economic turndown on the French economy
- Bullying in France
There were all quite good in French so they were able to tackle these topics quite well, I guess if you really want to find a topic, find something that you're interested in or basically something you can manage without constantly looking at your notes.
Good luck!
The course comprises five topics: three from the core and two chosen from the five options. At least two aspects must be covered in each of the five topics that make up the course. Additionally, at HL students must read two works of literature.
There are three topics in the core.
Communication and media
Global issues
Social relationships
Communication and media
How people interact, transmit and gather data for the purposes of information and entertainment.
Possible aspects to cover:
advertising
bias in media
censorship
internet
press
radio and television
sensationalism in media
telephone.
Global issues
Current matters and future scenarios that have an impact at a regional, national and/or international level, bearing in mind that they need to be addressed from the perspective of the target language’s culture(s).
Possible aspects to cover:
drugs
energy reserves
food and water
global warming, climate change, natural disasters
globalization
international economy
migration (rural–urban, or international)
poverty and famine
racism, prejudice, discrimination
the effect of man on nature
the environment and sustainability.
Social relationships
How people interrelate and behave—as members of a community, individually and in groups.
Possible aspects to cover:
celebrations, social and religious events
educational system
language and cultural identity, or self-identity
linguistic dominance
minorities
multilingualism
nationalism, patriotism, fanaticism
relationships (friendship, work, family)
social and/or political structures
social behaviours and stances
taboos versus what is socially acceptable.
Options
There are five topics in the options.
Cultural diversity
Customs and traditions
Health
Leisure
Science and technology
So probably one of your oral can be based around these topics?
If you're not following the new syllabus, I think the basic criteria for your topic is either something revolving around your topics that you've covered in class, or a contemporary article from the newspaper.
My friends did quite interesting topics for their exams this year including:
- Alcoholism in France
- The effect of the economic turndown on the French economy
- Bullying in France
There were all quite good in French so they were able to tackle these topics quite well, I guess if you really want to find a topic, find something that you're interested in or basically something you can manage without constantly looking at your notes.
Good luck!
#106938 Homosexuality
Posted
on Mar 20, 2011 - 15:06
jayrobsah, on Mar 19, 2011 - 13:47, said:
Christianity is a part of culture. This is the perspective from which many nations were founded upon. It is not normal for a man and a man to be married and have sex because this is why man annd woman were createdd and we should stop trying to see it as normal. We need to look at different perspectives we hear that "God is the way and most importantly the TRUTH" how do we know the bible is true
read the news and tell me what is happening: WAR IN LIBYA AND TSUNAMI IN JAPAN
the bible says: Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.
and we know the truth
so when the bible also says that
"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" (Leviticus 18:22). "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13)
lets trust the truth. How do we know that this is thruth i have proven from issues today. Using deductive reasoning.
read the news and tell me what is happening: WAR IN LIBYA AND TSUNAMI IN JAPAN
the bible says: Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.
and we know the truth
so when the bible also says that
"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" (Leviticus 18:22). "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13)
lets trust the truth. How do we know that this is thruth i have proven from issues today. Using deductive reasoning.
In my humble opinion, you are utterly wrong. The bible contains thousands of prophecies, the fact that one or a few of them seem to be true does not mean that the bible is the truth. If I wrote down 2000 prophecies today, a few of them would be fulfilled in the coming 3000 years. You claim that homosexuality is wrong because man and woman were created by God for each other. You have absolutely no proof that life was created by God, but there is plenty of evidence in support of the theory of evolution. Your reasoning is flawed.
#95565 Homosexuality
Posted
on Jan 07, 2011 - 04:49
Daedalus, on Jan 06, 2011 - 10:02, said:
Proletariat, on Jan 06, 2011 - 04:07, said:
[Remember that natural selection in your argument would involve applying human concepts of monogamy to animals, which is simply not something one can do in many (probably most) cases. 90% of sexual pairings for giraffes occur between two males, yet this doesn't mean every year we see exponential decreases in giraffe numbers. The argument that natural selection would "weed out" homosexual genetics simply doesn't play out in reality.
Except "exclusive" homosexuality rarely exists in the animal kingdom. This exclusivity that you've pointed out only exists in humans because we've adopted a social interpretation of a scientific condition.
There's a ton of grey areas to this also. What about homosexual black swans, who mate with a female only for reproduction, but then chance her away as soon as the eggs are laid? These pairs of male swans will then hatch, feed, care for and raise the offspring as parents. Would they still fall into homosexuality by your definition, or would you just argue that they're not truly homosexual? Would this fall in bisexualism for you? What about animals who form sexual pairings with both genders, but with heterosexual pairings lasting days while homosexual pairings lasting years? Would that still be bisexualism in your view?
In addition, if one simply examines the sheer number of species and organisms that engage in homosexual behaviour, one realizes that homosexuality cannot be purely environment-based, simply because of the vast variety of environments in which these organisms are found. There has to be an underlying factor that is broad enough to cover all of this diversity, and environment isn't it.
#95132 Homosexuality
Posted
on Jan 05, 2011 - 07:19
Sexual orientation is not the business of any institution, State, organization, or anyone other than the individual in question. Not only that, but sexual orientation has absolutely no impact on the value of a citizen to the advancement of their society, nor does it play any factor in determining the merit of an individual.
Another thing: homosexuality isn't entirely nature nor is it entirely nurture. In fact, almost nothing is. As others have pointed out, homosexuality occurs in animals who wouldn't have suffered from those dangerous liberal ideas that some claim causes it. However, the idea of a "gay gene", and the fact that an individual can be born with a genetically coded sexual orientation seems equally ridiculous. Homosexuality is likely a mixture of genetics and environmental factors, ie. certain social/chemical/psychological stimulant in early childhood causes certain combination of gene expression. Statistics show that males who have older male siblings are likelier to be gay, and that this likelihood increases with each additional older male sibling.
One day, we may even be able to display the entire matrix of factors involved. But when we do, no one in their right mind is going to care about sexual orientation anyways.
Another thing: homosexuality isn't entirely nature nor is it entirely nurture. In fact, almost nothing is. As others have pointed out, homosexuality occurs in animals who wouldn't have suffered from those dangerous liberal ideas that some claim causes it. However, the idea of a "gay gene", and the fact that an individual can be born with a genetically coded sexual orientation seems equally ridiculous. Homosexuality is likely a mixture of genetics and environmental factors, ie. certain social/chemical/psychological stimulant in early childhood causes certain combination of gene expression. Statistics show that males who have older male siblings are likelier to be gay, and that this likelihood increases with each additional older male sibling.
One day, we may even be able to display the entire matrix of factors involved. But when we do, no one in their right mind is going to care about sexual orientation anyways.
#93797 Homosexuality
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on Dec 30, 2010 - 15:55
Grumps, on Dec 29, 2010 - 20:51, said:
winter, on Dec 27, 2010 - 00:58, said:
But if you allow them to continue - it's unnatural is easily debunked - animals sometimes attempt to mate with a similarly sexed animal.
Sorry Grumps, but you have made some mistakes.
Natural = existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by. (Taken from New Oxford American Dictionary). Any behaviour that a species exhibits without the interference of mankind is natural.
Thus, a spider eating it's mate IS natural, however if a human gave an ape a cigar and made it look like it was gambling it would NOT be natural.
Many animal species exhibit homosexual behaviour, thus by definition. Homosexual behaviour can be naturally found in mammals.
Secondly, animals are not usually judged for their morality or thought of as moral creatures even though they/some may possess great higher reasoning powers. In that light, your second analogy isn't really applicable.
Finally, I'd like you to explain your choice of words, you are implying that homosexuality might not be "morally right". Why and How would you decide that?
