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  1. good that you dont have anything to add after my saying i dont want to add anymore, and yet have left me osmething so tasty. only your first quote, by e.p sanders sounded partially affirming for the resurrection. the other two basically say that the followers of jesus suupposedly had visions of jesus, but it doesn't really confirm the resurrection. but that the first quote ill admit threw me off a bit. until i found the whole thing... New Testament scholar and theologian E. P. Sanders argues that a concerted plot to foster belief in the Resurrection would probably have resulted in a more consistent story, and that some of those who were involved in the events gave their lives for their belief. Sanders offers his own hypothesis, saying "there seems to have been a competition: 'I saw him,' 'so did I,' 'the women saw him first,' 'no, I did; they didn't see him at all,' and so on."[14] In defending the historicity of the resurrection, Sanders goes so far as to state, "That Jesus’ followers (and later Paul) had resurrection experiences is, in my judgment, a fact. What the reality was that gave rise to the experiences I do not know."[15] wikipedia.org g... the fact that this guy is still agnostic despite being a "new testament scholar" also doesn't sound good. It basically means that he's an expert in Christianity, a lot more so than your daily christian, and has still decided that Christianity was a religion worth believing in. gg. i swear im not returning to this topic after this anymore, no matter how many tasty morsels you offer me.
  2. look im doing this as a one-off off my pledge. firstly if friday is day 0, then it touched 2 days, not 3 days. Ive counted the days for you, and you still seem not to understand. this part of your argument is driving me crazy. letme make it clear for you. if you died on friday at say 5:am, on saturday at 5:00 am, you will be considered to have died for one day. enough with that. You do know that Jesus prayed, ate ate, and had all the other functions a normal human has. when critics of the bible ask why Jesus prayed, and said that "power is in the lord, my father, and not with me", bible scholars say the part human in him had to do that. Humans will have a resurrection one day according to the bible, and fter that, you can't touch them. If jesus is part man, that means he is susceptibe to this resurrection, yet if he was indeed resurrected, why hide from the romans and jews. do you not understand what a contradiction means. Lastly, it wasn't that Mary Magdalene came to the tomb that i was caring about. It's what she said when she came to the tomb. cbf finding it in the bible. watch the link below from 1:01:15 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eDN8cJs41I also, i say that she was the last one to the end, considering all the other disciples were too bothered to find out for themselves whether Jesus died or not, and instead, relied on the words of the romans and jews around them. capische. seriously, im not responding anymore. all you're doing is making up excuses.
  3. lol this part just made me cringe. friday is day 0, siphr inarabic, cero in spanish, nul in dutch. if it started on friday, that means friday is day 0. saturday would be day 1, and sunday would be day 2. wth i even counted them for you previously. cringe was real in this reply. it pretty much set the tone for the rest of your argument: lacking and in a desperate attempt, you called my argument weak. all i derived from your reply is that you seriously haven't read the bible. Lastly on the topic of Jesus, if someone makes a direct statement, there really shouldn't be any metaphors. look at the context. when those jews asked him he called them the sons of an adulterous generation (he basically called their mums *****s) and heap a whole load of insults on them before he specifically said he was gonna "in the belly of the earth for threedays and three nights just as Jonah was in the belly of the whale for three days and three nights." the only literary technique one canfind in there is the comparison of events. there are no metaphors. Just because said person usually speaks in metaphors, doesn't mean said person will speak in metaphors all the time. Sure Jesus wasn't 'just a man' to paul BUT when critics of the bible ask why Jesus ate and prayed and stated that the power resided with the father and nt with him, bible sholars state that Jesus was still part man and it was the man part of him that needed to complete this. you can't abandon an argument in one instance to defend from another attack. your admitting that jesus was not man at all (please don't deny it, you just stated that Jesus wasn't just a man.' to why that bible verse doesn't apply to him) leaves you open to attacks on the caims i mentioned earlier. The whole point of bringing up mary magdalene was to show that he wasn't dead, and that the only disciple that in your NT stayed with him to the end, knew that he was still alive. your bible is contradictory among other things, which i will not say, and seriously, get off this topic. you started this, and i ended it it. don't try and bring it up again. it's as i mentioned before sickening, as well as completely distracting. however i rest assure in my knoweledge of the bible to not wait over 4 days to reply, so thats a small relief. you know what. your religion is yours. my religion is mine. keep your belief intact or not, i dont really care. if im gonna waste my time, i'd rather it be on something of actual value, where my knoweledge of the subject is at least equal to those around me, and where there is no way i can possibly insult someone's religion because as i mentioned before, i don't really like debating religions. in the end, as i said before, you keep your religion to yourself, keep your belief intact. i dont really care if you bring a christian perspective on whatever topic is to be spoken on next, just stop with this endless rambling. weve seriously been debating this thing for like a page and a bit!! all love and no offence meant as long as you don't bring it up again, Talalrulez
  4. OMG lol good luck with whatever you're doing.
  5. Have you guys decided not to post anymore? come on. At least someone make a comment delivering how they feel about divine command theory...
  6. lol okay sorry @azara you're a guy i have to listen to and as payback for introducing me to Richard Dawkins, i'll listen. ok @ILoveJesus. This is how it starts. A miracle is defined as something that you find amazing. For example, if i were to fortell the future regarding the fate of the world, or the next major catastrophe, that would be a miracle, right. SOOOOO, when Jesus spoke to the Jews, he stated that his only miracle to them would be "of Jonas, and just as he stayed in the whale for three days and three nights, so too shall i be in the earth for three days and three nights," or something like that (im quoting from memory here so cut me some slack). Jonas's miracle was that despite being thrown into a stormy sea, being swallowed by a whale, he was still able to live, and even prayed to god whilst in the belly of the beast. After all this, God kept his servant alive, and bla bla bla there's a happy ending for Jonas.so when Jesus said he shall be in the earth for three days and three nights, there are 2 ways a person can take this: they can either look at whether Jesus stayed alive the whole time, or they can look at the time(just to let you know, a crucifixion is meant to be a slow death, taking usually several days, but lets just assume the argument that Jesus died right away, just discarding all known information about this form of torture). So looking at the first option, Jonas stayed alive the whole time, whilst Jesus died.pretty obviously, this one doesn't hold up. So the second choice, which is what you pointed out, is time. So Jesus as a jew believed that the new day on the calendar starts at sunrise, as do we muslims. so he died on friday evening. that's one night for him. Then there's Saturday day. thats one day and one night for him. Then there's Saturday night and now that's 2 nights and 1 day for him. Now on Sunday morning, Mary Magdalene came looking for him,and found that he had already left, and a figure came to her, and asked her what she was doing in the mausoleum, and she says that she looking for Jesus to care for him, ie: she had known he was alive beforehand. so this is 2 nights and 1 day. Despite Jesus assigning himself 6 time periods (3 days and 3 nights) he still fails to meet it, and even in your theory of 3 days and 2 nights (or we can swap it around for sake of argument) he still fails to meet the criteria. Furthermore, Mary's entering of the tomb signifies the fact that she knew that he was alive, perhaps the only one among the believers of Jesus. This is known as the other disciples say themselves that they could only atone for Jesus's death through gossip they heard, meaning that they were not eye witnesses. they had heard people saying this, so they believed it.So when Jesus came to them, they thought they were seeing a ghost of some kind, and he reassured them that he was not in fact a ghost, and to prove so, he let them touch him and he ate in front of them, still not out of the time limit that he provided for himself. Anyway, we know from Mary's encounter of Jesus that in fact, Jesus was disguised as a gardner, so as to not be found by the Romans and the Jews and be persecuted yet again, meaning that he feared death. Yet, the bible states that every being has only one life, and they shall not be granted any more, until Judgement. That would mean, had Jesus died, he shouldn't have beenafraid of being seen by them, as they would not be able to touch him, coz according to the bible, hes kind of a zombie, yet even that is too simple, If you've read "Skulduggery Pleasent" know that i compare Jesus in this case to the White Cleaver, in that they are both in full control of themselves and their mind, and do not hunger for brains or any other crap like that; they are just alive, despite supposed to have being dead. I think you get the gist of what i'm saying. If you've actually read the bible thoroughly as i have done, and not just picked stuff from internet or listen to your one time weekly priest for information on Christianity, i expect to not have to list all the verses from which they originate, as even this is at least, considering it has to do with one of the biggest parts of Christianity, a known to all Christians(i am fully assuming. i was not raised a christian and so don't really know what you learn about in bible studies.). so therefore, i'm pretty sure i've shown all needed information in dismissing the reality of any resurrection and am therefore done with the debate at hand, not because im running away, but ive spent a hell of a lot of time on this, rather than my studies, which has been bothering me lately(btw, when say im a muslim, i meant i explored through many religions, from Judaism to Jainism, and made an educated choice of what i thought was best. This was just a bit of me trying to tell you a little bit about myself). anyway, to all the other people, I'd like to bring up a new topic, which i learnt about whilst listening to a CrashCourse lesson. What do you guys think about Divine Command Theory?
  7. he proves it doesn't touch 3 days with your own FREAKING bible. bro, when someone considers evidence, you don't cherry pick. you watch or select the whole thing rather than look only at specific parts. which is why i said previously to watch that video on your weekend when you have time to see the whole thing. just because you're PRETTY sure of something (key word if you didn't notice is pretty)doesn't mean it is fact.
  8. the thing is it didn't touch 3 days. ther was only 2 nights and 1 day. since its not touching, this jewish expression can't be used. look, im not gonna address your other points because deedat already addressed them. did you watch all or did you skim through the video
  9. self-taught

    lol im doing Arabic, and there are 2 internals. there's the oral and then there's the written assessment. All though your sister is seriously messing things up for the other Arabic B students (thx a lot), in the end, she'll still need a teacher to at least look after the written assessment and a teacher with whom she can respond to in the oral, so if she can do that, then she should be all fine. btw, اين انت تعيش الان؟ انا اسكن في استرالية، فقط انا من سوريا.
  10. Lol, i know its actually quite late replying to you, but to be honest, i've only head so little about him. i've heard that he's a great thinker and talker, and that he's like the type of person that goes out to educate people about faith (or in his case, lack thereof). All though it is minimal, i will ensure that i at the very least watch a talk of his in the weekend. Or you can suggest me something to watch. Either way, i don't mind.
  11. He actually starts everything from 24:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eDN8cJs41I
  12. lol wow so when you send a list of articles that take more than an hour to actually read and analyze, so as to not give superficial answers, i shouldn't do so? okthenbro, dw. either way, i'll sum up what he said. (thanks for turning this into a debate on christianity?) When jesus died on the cross, he supposedly fulfilled couple hunded prophesies right? You should know this considering your great Love for Jesus. However, the only prophesy which was uttered by Jesus, is not fulfilled. So many prophesies made, yet the one made by the man himself is not fulfilled. So, when the Jews came and sarcastically asked Jesus for a miracle, Jesus responded by insulting them and then stating "Just as Jonas was for three days and three nights, so too shall i be for three days and three nights." You should know Jonas, and if you compare their stories, (not looking at whether Jesus was swallowed by a whale, but looking at the time that Jesus was "dead" and comparing them being dead or alive) you see that they don't match at all. So according to your own bible, the only prophesy made by Jesus is not fulfilled, and so Jews are justified in not believing in Jesus. This is among 1 of the many contradictions associated with the new testament, and specifically with the resurrection. Look, i want to be done with this topic, as i don't like insulting others views on religion or their religion, which is why i put the Deedat video so we could get this specific topic over and done with, and move onto something more interesting, like the topic of morals we discussed previously. Please watch the video so we can be finished. Plus watch it, considering i KNOW i didn't really convey the message across to you) (LOL, done this during a study period)
  13. Oh my freaking God. @ILoveJesus Did you just ignore me again? You know what? i seriously don't care. if you had bothered watching the video, you would've have seen Deedat disprove the resurrection of Jesus with your own freaking bible! If you are so close-minded that you can't listen properly to others arguments, why are you on here? btw, ALL NEW TESTAMENT scholars would be christian because only christian would believe in the freaking New Testament. Muslims believe in the Quran and reject NT. Jews believe only in Old Testament and reject New Testament. Hindus believe in the Vedas and reject the New Testament. Buddhists believe in the Tripitaka, the Mahayana Sutras and the Tibetan Book of the Dead and reject the New Testament. EVERY SINGLE OTHER RELIGION BESIDES CHRISTIANITY rejects the New Testament, and Atheists reject all religions and thus all sacred texts. Therefore, it's obvious that only Christians believe in New Testament and if you cant see that, there is definitely something wrong with you.
  14. lmao @ILoveJesus when you tell us to watch something, i most certainly do, yet it seems you have not even bothered to acknowledge that i asked you to do anything at all as it seems by complete ignorance of what i asked. If u don't wanna look at other people's opinions, why bother be part of this? Anyway, there is many things one can say regarding the NT. Firstly, considering it's creation over a century after Jesus died is a big boo-boo. Secondly, have you heard of Theseus's ship. It is, i find, a perfect representation of the bible. You see, as the years went by, The ship kept on having its parts replaced, what with the rotting of timber and all that, and soon, people were wondering whether it could still be called Theseus's ship. This is a problem that i find with Christianity as a whole. Can it still be called Christianity. I am Muslim so i do believe in Jesus, and many of the other things you believe in as well, but there are stark differences. Never mind Christian, Judaic and Islamic belief systems, there are huge differences in between seperate divisions of Christianity. for example, i (completely assuming of course) that you are either Catholic or Protestant, since those are the 2 largest sects, yet other sects, such as Church of Latter Day Saints, etc, don't believe in the trinity. Yet they are considered Christians. Yet i've seen many ignorant people turn down Mormons and the like saying that they aren't Christians, when in reality, i believe these Mormons and other sects know much more about the bible than either Catholics or Protestants. They base this argument on something to do with Paul being not really 100% the best guy to take the bible from. TBH, i honestly can't remember, but i vaguely remember it as something to with Paul. lol to @azara i haven't watched that specific video, but Ahmed Deedat (Zakir Naik's teacher) made a lecture solely containing the believed miracles, etc of the Quran. I actually find the video quite nice, its an hour and a half long, a LOT less shorter than the debate, but still if you have time , perhaps during the weekends, perhaps you guys could watch the video. I've provided the link down below. lol @fromsomewhere2017 nice to see another zakir/deedat fan in here. lol, concerning the swooning thing, @aTeddy there is actually a simple answer to why Jesus escaped which is also present in the bible. Again, it has something to with him not dying. Ahmed Deedat was a biblical scholar as well as a Muslim scholar, and i remember there being 2 lectures which he conducted in Australia, which are solely to do with 1. "Jesus in Islam" and 2. "Easter - a Muslim viewpoint (this is the one in which he talks about Jesus not dying even according to the bible). I've provided the link down below. btw. the second video starts at 19:42 so, for those interested in either topics, i bid you adie. (lmao sorry for all the deedat) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSnNOyxHqa4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eDN8cJs41I
  15. lol, one major problem in your claim is that no one besides new testament scholars (who i suppose are exclusively christian) think that Jesus rose from the dead. Meanwhile, other people can put up videos claiming that their religion is real bla, bla, bla. But on your argument concerning that Christianity is the religion of "truth" i'd recommend that you go watch a person by the name of Ahmed Deedat. He's long dead, but was a respectable person among both Muslims and Christians, who had memorized the entirety of the bible and had debates with Pastors (not the many internet keyboard warriors you see on youtube these days) on the truth in Christianity.