User001 Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 . 3 Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumps Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 (edited) I think it could help you a considerable amount. It is structured horribly and is plagued by the inherent problems of our school system, but included is the rudimentary knowledge that simply stating your point is not a compelling point. On the other hand, most classes teach this, so I'm not really making a good argument either.In short, explain.Edit: Of course if logical discourse does not entertain you and you'd rather just have a big whine fest, then forget I said anything (most people prefer this). Edited October 1, 2010 by Grumps Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen16 Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 I don't like it all that much either. It's a very interesting and thought-provoking class but it's marking is just too objective for such a subjective subject. Even though I got an A for it (my presentation; I haven't done my essay yet), I still don't think the marking is fair. 1 Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theloserwins Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 The point of TOK is to teach us to think "critically"...Okay...but why during diploma? Not before diploma?Plus they make those fancy names like knowledge issue, knowledge claim...can't they express themselves in simplier words? Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Lc~ Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 it's a good time for you to learn the complicated words, because when you get to Uni lecturers will use big words,, and they won't bother to stop and explain them Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandwich Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 I think a lot of people can empathise Alas it's something we all have to deal with, even if it does seem a lot like dressing common sense in mysterious wishy-washy terminology... okay, maybe it is.However it's very important you concentrate on it. I know plenty of people who actually missed out on their bonus points thanks to TOK -- even if they had amazing grades otherwise and an awesome EE! There's nothing more gutting than falling down where you don't have to, so hateful as TOK is, it's important that you put a decent amount of effort into BSing your way through it. If it helps to think of it as pointless BS, please do so. However I personally found that wallowing in my own misery just made the lessons drag on longer! 2 Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Lc~ Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 I think you lot just needed a good teacher. Pay me and i'll give you all an online video conference of the material. I know it like the back of my hand anyway 2 Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
solastalgia Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 I'm really dreading TOK because I've heard horror stories about the teacher at my school. He's told students, in a class about endless possibilities, "you're wrong". Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumps Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 That's not a bad thing. Just because there is an infinite amount of "rights" doesn't mean there aren't any wrongs. Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
solastalgia Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 That's not a bad thing. Just because there is an infinite amount of "rights" doesn't mean there aren't any wrongs.He follows up with "... and I'm right." He's chastised students for their own opinions and interpretations, as well as considering his own opinion to be the only correct one.He was hired in a rush when the TOK teacher last year (who was amazing) got fired. It wasn't really about the quality of the teacher at a time, but finding anyone willing to fill the position. Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Lc~ Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 grr tell your school to hire ME! I need a job Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charizard Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 I found TOK very enjoyable when I first started, but now I realize how everything must fit into IB's little boxes; for example, the TOK textbook and documents strongly support the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis and the teachers are instructed to indoctrinate the classes with it, as it were, despite the fact that many modern scientists and epistemologists now overwhelmingly agree that although there is a point to the hypothesis that one's mother tongue can can shape one's perception of life, it is exaggerated and flawed to say that experience is completely defined by language, because it makes the assumption that people can't comprehend concepts that are absent from their languages. I'm also annoyed by the use of terms which are exclusive to TOK, such as 'knowledge issue', which is defined by a worksheet as "questions that directly refer to our understanding of the world, ourselves and others, in connection with the acquisition, search for, production, shaping and acceptance of knowledge". (Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Richard van de Lagemaat TOK textbook neglects to define it at all, despite it being an important defining concept of the TOK presentation and essay and having criteria centered around it.) Yet, I've seen people get top marks for TOK presentations, focused on ethical or other issues, without once mentioning anything to do with how we know. It confuses me a bit, especially since my teacher forgot to teach my class about knowledge issues until he realized a while later that he hadn't. 1 Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IMBATMAN Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 (edited) WOW YOU JUST FIGURED THAT OUTLike seriously TOK is so important, I mean it's so gonna help us in the future, and its so not a waste of time.Yeah...Right Edited October 1, 2010 by Jphu8414 Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahuta ♥ Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 Well some people do enjoy it, I had friends who enjoyed TOK so much they actually READ TOK books for fun.I personally hated TOK, it's pure bull****, the lessons, the essays..especially the essays! They were painful painful times of BSing none sense.Our teacher always went off topic, and always wanted to provoke us by using statement we all didn't like to hear. In fact he was too offensive we told on him, well our parents did and he got fired from teaching TOK ever again, and he was the IBC and he was fired from that too, now he's just a biology teacher. All that, and he still thinks TOK is the reason we should all get into IB..I mean...seriously?!The only thing I liked about TOK are the presentations, they were so much fun to do and we got to choose whatever topic we wanted as long as we put in some BS. So yeah, I agree TOK..so pointless. Having said this, I do understand why others might see it enjoyable. So yeah, I get you people. Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Glau Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 w/ OP Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charizard Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 I don't know, I think it's a bit irrelevant to say that TOK won't help us in the future because we're learning a lot of things that won't be useful to us in the future as well. To some extent you could say that taking six subjects is a waste of time since our careers will likely only focus on one or two. That doesn't mean that the courses don't have merits of their own or aren't "good". Isn't there a "point" simply in educating us? I think it's very admirable to try and teach students to use critical thinking more often and to question knowledge - epistemology is something that relates to every other type of learning. But then again it's also very admirable to aim to "create a better and more peaceful world" (as stated in the IB's mission statement) through an educational system, but it doesn't necessarily mean that this has been achieved effectively. Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzygomes Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 true, hate it as well. and its incredibly overrated, seriously... Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality ninja Posted October 8, 2010 Report Share Posted October 8, 2010 What? I love ToK. Oh well I guess it's not for everyone, Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KifujinMizu Posted October 8, 2010 Report Share Posted October 8, 2010 I don't like ToK at all.Not only it starts at 6 AM (well for me it does), but the way the class is ran is kinda unfair. I guess it depends on the teacher. I certainly do not like mines. He's kinda mean, saying that we don't know anything, always witching at us (honestly, it's too early to do that), but whatever. Plus, I don't see how thinking "why the grass is green" will help us in the future. :\ Meh. I agree with izzygomes. It is overrated. Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustAnotherAsian Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 totally pointless.Ex.How do we know we are living?How do i know this is milk? please. no 1 Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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