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@Sandwich: How does it depend on your school? And we don't use the semester system (if that's what you meant). Thanks for your opinion though. Then if I would take Math 12 SL in my grade 11 year, then what happens in my Grade 12 year? (Don't you have to do a math course in both years?)

Bob

I assume that Grade 12 is equivalent to the final year of school. If you're sitting the IB diploma you need at least 3 SL and 3 HL subjects, plus all the extras, but there's nothing in the IB which stipulates that you continue with a course over both years... although that's the only way it's done in a lot of schools (which is what I meant by dependency on school -- for instance at my school subjects had teaching time such that you couldn't take anything a year early even if you wanted to, every single subject had to go across IB1 and IB2). Your school may have its own internal requirement that you continue with Maths for every year of your education, but there's nothing universal about the IB which answers your question because within the diploma guidelines it isn't an issue. This is where you have to ask the people at your own institution and find out what they want you to do, because whatever rules are confusing you are going to be internal ones, or perhaps part of the national curriculum, rather than IB rules.

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Hello everyone!

I am from Hong Kong, and I am planning to study business and management / economics in university.

Should I take Math Studies or Math SL?

My math is just ok, not really good.

thx for the advice, but i've ask my teacher, he said if i want to do business and management, i should take math studies. if i want to do economics in university, i should take math SL.

so if i want to do business and management, should i take studies or math SL

Hey, I'm from Hong Kong as well so I might be able to help you. If you would like to pursue your BBA degree in Hong Kong, I think SL Maths would be more suited than Maths Studies; given that we're in this side of the world, universities often require us to have a good knowledge at Mathematics. Well the top universities in Hong Kong, including HKU, CUHK and HKUST, all have Mathematics module in their courses regardless of Business / Economics. Economics relies heavily on Mathematics - especially on the field of Calculus; hence I recommend SL Maths.

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It really depends on what you want to go in to.

Economists, Marketing specialists, and accountants can get away with math studies, because their work is either non-intensive with math, or based on more qualitative research. High-level economics will require you to learn vector calculus, but you only need it so that you can use the formulas.

On the other hand, if you want to go somewhere like Actuarial Science, Risk Managment, High-level Finance, or Investment Banking, a strong background in mathematics (math HL) would be a good idea, since going in to a mathematically intense program is not a good idea if you can't handle HL in high school.

That being said, math SL is probably your best option if you're going in to Business or Econ without a plan in mind, especially if you see yourself doing any type of analysis work. On the other hand, the management side of business, or the policy side of economics won't require any math greater than the basics.

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Basically, maths HL is ridiculously hard, maths SL is still hard but managable and maths studies is really easy! Quite a gap between the latter two!

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Hello everyone!

I am from Hong Kong, and I am planning to study business and management / economics in university.

Should I take Math Studies or Math SL?

My math is just ok, not really good.

thx for the advice, but i've ask my teacher, he said if i want to do business and management, i should take math studies. if i want to do economics in university, i should take math SL.

so if i want to do business and management, should i take studies or math SL

Your teacher is quite right! So if I was you I'd do Maths SL coz then you've got more options open. If you took studies you'd narrow down your options already now and you wouldn't be able to change it. With Maths SL you could still change to studies after one year if you found it too hard or definitely decided to do business and management.

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I think the university requirements differ by college, and in some cases, course. So you'll have to do your own research on the universities you're interested in (it's usually listed on their websites).

If you're certain you won't be needing Math SL, and you know your grade will be much better in Studies, then go for it! Grades are definitely more important than the subjects, and having a seven in Studies will look better on your report than having a five in SL.

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Talk to your coordinater!

My friend was in a similar situation, in her 12th year she asked a university and they are letting her take first year university it is a special program, you could either do that or try for grade 11 HL. Seems like you are smart enough, go for it! Or you could just take an elective in grade 12?

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Hey!!

That is a similar problem I am faced with too. I have taken Math SL at the moment but however, Im finding it difficult to cope up with it. Even my mid-term Math marks have been average.

I plan to either major in Business or do Journalism after my IB. So I don't think I need a Math SL. You think I should shift to Math Studies??

Maybe I have no clue what I'm talking about, but I think that you'd need a pretty good foundation in math for business right? Although, math studies might actually give you a better foundation if, like I hear, it focuses more on statistics and that kind of thing.

A guy that graduated IB at my school last year wanted to go to some fancier school for economics, maybe it was business school of london or something like that, anyways, he wasn't accepted since he only did math studies, so yeah, I think SL is good for business.

I just switched from SL to Studies, and I just gotta say that it is so nice! I was so stressed out over not keeping up in SL, and for learning properly I would've needed to study math everyday, but in Studies you really have time to learn stuff and let it sink in during class, which means a lot less studying at home. I love it!

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I would def take Math SL. It's helped me out a lot with my Math. However Higher Lever is the harder while Math Studies is a easiest.

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HL is for people who are intending to go into physics/pure math, or for people who really love math.

Studies is for people intending to go into social sciences/nothing relating to math or science; also people who aren't as strong in math.

SL is for everyone else who doesn't fit into the above, but a lot of my friends who are in Studies find it a humongous waste of time, because a lot of the time you're not learning anything new. Even though they may have been weak in previous years of math, Studies is a waste of a course.

As long as you do your work, review and ask questions in class, SL math should not be extremely difficult.

Good luck to all!

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In simple terms, math studies is a course meant for people who will choose to study a non-scientific subject in University. Math SL is made for people who will require more math than average, and Math HL is for those who will study subjects with the greatest amount of mathematics involved. From the Guide:

Math Studies: This course is available at standard level (SL) only. It caters for students with varied backgrounds and abilities. More specifically, it is designed to build confidence and encourage an appreciation of

mathematics in students who do not anticipate a need for mathematics in their future studies. Students

taking this course need to be already equipped with fundamental skills and a rudimentary knowledge

of basic processes.

Math SL: This course caters for students who already possess knowledge of basic mathematical concepts, and

who are equipped with the skills needed to apply simple mathematical techniques correctly. The

majority of these students will expect to need a sound mathematical background as they prepare for

future studies in subjects such as chemistry, economics, psychology and business administration.

Math HL: This course caters for students with a good background in mathematics who are competent in a range of analytical and technical skills. The majority of these students will be expecting to include

mathematics as a major component of their university studies, either as a subject in its own right or

within courses such as physics, engineering and technology. Others may take this subject because they

have a strong interest in mathematics and enjoy meeting its challenges and engaging with its problems.

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I think there's also Further Maths to take into account, which is taken in conjunction with Mathematics HL and assumes all core knowledge, and basically it means taking all four options plus an extra geometry unit.

The information to be distilled from this is:

Math Studies (SL) - you don't like math, but you have to take it as part of IB

Mathematics SL - you are an average math student, who will work quite hard on this and usually do okay

Mathematics HL - you are a bright mathematics student, you grasp things easier than most people, maybe you even like math..

Further Maths - you are crazy

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Hello.

I was thinking of doing Veterinary Science in the University of Sydney/Melbourne/Australia (the continent, therefore including New Zealand). I might also consider going to the US/UK

My math isn't too good, to be honest, and my teacher said that I would need to spend quite a bit of time if I did SL. Now, should I take SL, and risk a lower overall mark, or take studies, get a higher mark, and then risk uni not accepting? I have found that some unis offer bridging courses, or even one generalized year. Do you think if I do studies, that I should do a bridging course and try to get into the Vet. Science course?

Or should I risk a lower overall mark, but do SL?

Thanks

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I'm considering dropping down to Maths Studies from Maths SL. I want to take Medicine at university in the UK and was wondering if it would reduce my chances of getting in. The uni's I'm considering are Manchester, Bristol, St Georges (London), Sheffield, Nottingham or Hull-York. I know Manchester don't care but does anybody know about the others?

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Math HL is not required by most universities if i was to major in finance? how about economics? i know that a BS in econs would require HL but a BA does not right?

I'd also like to ask about admissions, im an international student thus im not very familiar with US university admissions. I will be taking the SATs in the third semester and i wonder which do i use for university admission? my IB results of my SATs? will i start from freshmen year? I don't understand why should i take IB if i could just apply with my SATs.

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My school offers 2 math courses which both take 2 years to complete (same number of hours in the classroom). One is Math Studies SL and the other we call Math Methods (though Math Methods no longer exists) and you can choose to take an SL or HL exam for it. I don't knnow if my school is weird for only having two course options... but they tell us that American universities don't care if you take Studies as long as you aren't planning on going into a math related field/major.

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My school only offers Math Studies and Math HL. I would like to do Chemistry at university and most of the top uni's require Maths HL or at very least SL (which isn't available).

I'm pretty good at maths, and can grasp things quite quick, but I'm not a genius. I do work hard, but would it be enough or do you need to be amazing at maths to do well at HL?

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