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Are You a Feminist?

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Do you believe in gender equality? do you believe in feminism and what it stands for? If not, Why? This is purely out of curiosity and is not meant to attack anybody. 

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Honestly can't think of many people who would publicly admit they're against gender equality.  

 

But, yeah, I do believe in feminism, the true definition of it anyway, because that just backs up the whole gender equality thing.

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I believe in feminism, but, as vals said, not the one given throughout the years which serves as an excuse to get a special treatment, I believe in feminism as a way to reach a gender equality within every single person in this world.

Unfortunately, this issue is in many countries just a dream which vanishes when it faces real life, where there are thousand of differences between men and women. However, if we fight constantly, in a future we will be able to turn what we now see as a dream into a reality.

Nonetheless, I disagree with the name used to described this belief, I think it should be called something like neutralism or equalism.

 

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The definition is "the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men."

 

The word feminist has stigma, so the way i see is it to focus on the meaning.

 

If you want gender equality, then you are a feminist by definition.

 

So yes, I am feminist, because yes, I believe gender discrimination is not okay. 

 

P.s just listen to Emma Watson's speech: link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-iFl4qhBsE 

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I believe I am a feminist. However, I seldom use this term to identify myself as I don't think a simple "adjective" or self-imposed "connotation" can define me. Feminism is a part of my set of beliefs which greatly influence my way of being and thinking, but do not define who I am.

 

That being said, I support feminism in its true form, advocating for the great number of destitute and unprotected women around the world. Both genders are necessary, they are neither better or worse. Comparing the value of each gender would be like comparing apples and oranges. Each sex is different from the other. We complement each other so I believe neither gender has the right to subtract rights or benefits from the other. Women should have an equal value to men in society.

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Yes, I'm an intersectional feminist, if it abides by its definition of "promoting gender equality".

 

I think there's a shallow portrayal of feminism that comes up a lot in the media, of women being feminist if they punch guys out, wear red lipstick and commit felonies. That's all well and good, sure, but I think real feminism is all women being equal as well, regardless of whether they're homemakers or businesswomen or 'ditzes'.

 

The thing with feminism that's difficult to swallow is the fact that men might need to make changes to their personal lifestyles... there is no such thing as getting "special treatment". Women have been unequal for years; if anything it's men that receive special treatment in society, so really it is a question of equality. I can understand how others might perceive it otherwise if they've been conditioned to believe so.

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I definitely stand for gender equality. Do I want to classify myself as a feminist it depends on the definition of feminism. If its a person who is for gender equality then yes. But for example in Finland there is a mandatory military service for all men but not women, that's not equality either.

I think that how far a person makes it should depend on his or her abilities, not the gender.

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Gender equality is definitely something that should exist, but I do not support the radical feminists of today. The true definition of feminism is what is really real.

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I feel equality is subjective. For example, its a fact that women (mostly) are not as strong as men. So it will be a little hard to have women in the like Special Forces. They simply don't have the strength to carry the weights and run the distances. But in terms of stuff like pay, respect etc, definitely. There needs to be equality in some things, but some things is impossible. 

Another thing, there are certain things that are understood to be a man's job or woman's job. For example, Men are generally expected to pay for the first date/prom. I'm not debating right or wrong, im just stating a common idea.

So back on track, i feel that there is a necessity for equality in somethings, but there are certain cases where equality is NOT possible.

Just my two cents, please don't jump on me ;D

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I feel equality is subjective. For example, its a fact that women (mostly) are not as strong as men. So it will be a little hard to have women in the like Special Forces. They simply don't have the strength to carry the weights and run the distances. But in terms of stuff like pay, respect etc, definitely. There needs to be equality in some things, but some things is impossible. 

Another thing, there are certain things that are understood to be a man's job or woman's job. For example, Men are generally expected to pay for the first date/prom. I'm not debating right or wrong, im just stating a common idea.

So back on track, i feel that there is a necessity for equality in somethings, but there are certain cases where equality is NOT possible.

Just my two cents, please don't jump on me ;D

Hypothetical question: if there was a woman who could perform as well as men, could she be accepted to the special forces in your opinion?
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Some people say that supporting gender equality makes you a feminist.

However, I find that somewhat unfair, because I support gender equality but I don't want to be considered a feminist.

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Yes, I am a feminist. Unfortunately, absolute equality between men and women does not seem realistic. But history has shown that bringing the divide of equality closer together is very much possible. The reason I don't think 100% equality will ever be achieved is because for that to happen, the majority of women need to support the cause, along with males. But there are so many women out there who are unable to (financially, against the law) get an education and because of their lack of education, they are already "inferior to men." If women are being told they will never be equal (which a lot are), then many eventually give up. There are some who give up fighting right from the start, others who fight for the feminist movement for some time, those who never even start and the few (comparatively) who continue to remain proactive. 

There's also the fact, as some have mentioned above, that people abuse the word "feminist" or "feminism." They start using it in context where it doesn't encourage support but rather LOSES supporters and that's the problem. Over the years, the terms "feminist" and "feminism" have been used so loosely, in such a way where it's own definition is perceived differently than what it truly means. THAT'S why I believe females and males will never be equal. It's quite unfortunate and it hurts to say but that's what I believe is the realistic viewpoint of the movement.

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I absolutely advocate for gender equality, but I feel that it is something that is harder to achieve than it seems. Creating laws that guarantee gender equality is easy compared to actually guaranteeing gender equality in our culture. However, forcing people to accept gender equality is ineffective. Rather, people have to embrace equality as part of their culture. 

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I feel equality is subjective. For example, its a fact that women (mostly) are not as strong as men. So it will be a little hard to have women in the like Special Forces. They simply don't have the strength to carry the weights and run the distances. But in terms of stuff like pay, respect etc, definitely. There needs to be equality in some things, but some things is impossible. 

Another thing, there are certain things that are understood to be a man's job or woman's job. For example, Men are generally expected to pay for the first date/prom. I'm not debating right or wrong, im just stating a common idea.

So back on track, i feel that there is a necessity for equality in somethings, but there are certain cases where equality is NOT possible.

Just my two cents, please don't jump on me ;D

Hypothetical question: if there was a woman who could perform as well as men, could she be accepted to the special forces in your opinion?

 

Yes, she should be, but I mean on an average, women just cannot perform as well. Though the exceptional cases should definitely be accepted.

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I feel equality is subjective. For example, its a fact that women (mostly) are not as strong as men. So it will be a little hard to have women in the like Special Forces. They simply don't have the strength to carry the weights and run the distances. But in terms of stuff like pay, respect etc, definitely. There needs to be equality in some things, but some things is impossible. 

Another thing, there are certain things that are understood to be a man's job or woman's job. For example, Men are generally expected to pay for the first date/prom. I'm not debating right or wrong, im just stating a common idea.

So back on track, i feel that there is a necessity for equality in somethings, but there are certain cases where equality is NOT possible.

Just my two cents, please don't jump on me ;D

Hypothetical question: if there was a woman who could perform as well as men, could she be accepted to the special forces in your opinion?

 

Yes, she should be, but I mean on an average, women just cannot perform as well. Though the exceptional cases should definitely be accepted.

 

 

Going along with this idea, it's generally true that men are physically stronger than women due to biological and physiological reasons. There are exceptions, yes, but overall a woman isn't going to be as strong as a man or have the same endurance levels. As an example, many of the armed forces in the U.S. have recently allowed women to become soldiers on the front lines (infantry people) rather than simply being in the armed forces but having a different job (such as medical professions, hospitality, maintenance crews, etc). The U.S. Marine Corps have actually allowed women to join the infantry for quite some time now, but no woman has been able to pass the physical requirements yet.

 

The requirements for certain physically intensive jobs should be the same for men and women, and if a woman can meet those requirements, that's great. However, if I'm trapped in a building that's on fire and a firefighter that happens to be a woman can't lift me out of the building, that doesn't do either of us much good. It boils down more to the requirements and nature of the job in this case rather than trying to please every person. The jobs should be open to either sex for equality, but both sexes should have to meet the same physical requirements rather than a woman having an easier physical fitness test than a man, which is also equality.

 

I'm quite progressive, hold several feminist ideals, and am pro-equality for both sexes but there comes a point where we can't make exceptions for everyone, just for equality!!11! 

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I believe in gender equality. Although feminism in its most fundamental form simply strives for women to have equal rights as men, it is indirectly being portrayed as female dominance and some such elements may already be seen in certain societies.

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As much as I believe in gender equality, I find it hard to accept the term 'feminism' because of the connotation many women have given to it throughout the years. Don't get me wrong, but nowadays there are many women who use feminism as an excuse for a special treatment.  Even in my limited experience of things, I've come across many women who were not too scrupulous when insulting the other gender. Why is this acceptable? Does an empowered woman really have the right to pigeonhole all males as "stupid pigs"? Maybe if we started calling it "equality", some individuals would not use it as a justification to back up their actions.

 

My stance of feminism is pretty much as above. I think there are issues with both genders, and if we are to achieve equality we must act accordingly. I think Emma Watson's HeforShe movement is really positive, her speech on YT at the UN is worth a watch.

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In addition to the above post, I would like to add that a recent survey showed that women actually fill up 97-97% of college courses that lead to low paying jobs whereas men are majority to high paying jobs. I understand the reason behind the women not being allowed, but factually, not all the women are pushed into that scenario.

Also, recently, feminists told the USMC (United States Marine Corps) that the Marines should reduce the fitness standards so that women can join. While the reply was curt, and shot down the idea, I feel that honestly, it makes no sense to reduce fitness like that. The Marines are soldiers at the end of the day, and if you cant meet the requirements, its your fault, not the fault of the Corps, and if a man is not fit enough, will you ask for the fitness to be cut down. Often, even when men die during these selections, it is acceptable, but it is not acceptable if a woman can't enter as she is too unfit.

In addition, it has also been found that like OMGIBISFUN said, men in cases of divorce are basically alienated from their children, yet have to financially support them. This does not seem fair to anyone. Its my opinion that the Father should be allowed to meet his children regularly, and still support them. He has an issue with the mother not the children.

 

That said, I am not against Gender inequality, I am totally for it. However, I feel that the present "FemiNazis" as the are called are going to extreme in their ideas and demands. Also, I feel that we can never achieve full equality simply because men and women are different. We may achieve equal wages etc, but fact is, if me and another girl of the same age start working out together, I will get muscle faster, simply because I have the hormones to support it. Or that if I choose to, I can grow a beard, while a girl just cannot.

Hence, I feel we should have equality in 99% things, but we also need to understand that the differences in biological and psychological setups of men and women need to be accepted.

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That said, I am not against Gender inequality, I am totally for it. However, I feel that the present "FemiNazis" as the are called are going to extreme in their ideas and demands. Also, I feel that we can never achieve full equality simply because men and women are different. We may achieve equal wages etc, but fact is, if me and another girl of the same age start working out together, I will get muscle faster, simply because I have the hormones to support it. Or that if I choose to, I can grow a beard, while a girl just cannot.

Hence, I feel we should have equality in 99% things, but we also need to understand that the differences in biological and psychological setups of men and women need to be accepted.

 

I couldn't agree with you more. 

 

I think the extreme feminists are really alienating the vast majority of the population, by claiming that men and women are physically, physiologically and psychologically identical, and that sex is a social construct (different from gender, which is influenced by social norms). You only need a basic understanding of biology to know that this is not the case, as you said about muscle composition and secondary sex characteristics. 

 

Humans are animals after all, and have instincts that govern their life to some degree, as would have been beneficial for them as an individual and for the propagation of the species in more primitive times. (which is also responsible for the differences in physical attributes). I feel as a society, we tend to disconnect our theoretical thinking from our biological background. 

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Hence, I feel we should have equality in 99% things, but we also need to understand that the differences in biological and psychological setups of men and women need to be accepted.

 

I think the extreme feminists are really alienating the vast majority of the population, by claiming that men and women are physically, physiologically and psychologically identical, and that sex is a social construct (different from gender, which is influenced by social norms). You only need a basic understanding of biology to know that this is not the case, as you said about muscle composition and secondary sex characteristics.

 

I completely agree with both of you about the act that men & women aren't physically equal, and biology has shown us this. For example, the average height of men are always higher than women everywhere in the world, etc. However, is there any scientific evidence to support the claim that men & women aren't mentally & psychologically equal? I'm rather skeptical about that.

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Well, they have found that men tend to be more pragmatic and are able to avoid emotional meltdowns more often than women. Not saying men are emotionless, but they are normally able to control their emotions better.

In addition, a study carried out by Stanford, I believe, has shown that men cry on an average, about 10 ten times less than women.

Plus, men tend to notice things differently, for example, a man often will notice physical structure, whereas a woman will notice more along the lines of colour and appeal. 

Thats what I've read, and I may be wrong, but thats what they say.

 

Oh and also, men are supposedly better at dealing with trauma than women, but this is supposed, no concrete evidence.

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Well, they have found that men tend to be more pragmatic and are able to avoid emotional meltdowns more often than women. Not saying men are emotionless, but they are normally able to control their emotions better.

In addition, a study carried out by Stanford, I believe, has shown that men cry on an average, about 10 ten times less than women.

Plus, men tend to notice things differently, for example, a man often will notice physical structure, whereas a woman will notice more along the lines of colour and appeal. 

Thats what I've read, and I may be wrong, but thats what they say.

 

Oh and also, men are supposedly better at dealing with trauma than women, but this is supposed, no concrete evidence.

 

Fair enough. But what you've mentioned are only the statistics. Is there any scientific explanation for why there are such psychological differences between men & women?

I personally believe that those differences are caused by our traditional social structures, in which men were (and perhaps are still) considered to be more mentally stronger than women. For example, men don't cry as often as women do, because their mothers often tell them that "Men are strong and they don't cry", etc. In other words, there seems to be no biological reasons that can explain why these differences are as they are.

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